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Public involvement in local government
Posted Monday, March 2, 2009, at 6:55 AM
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Do you attend the meetings of the county council or county commissioners? How about the town or city council? I won't ask about the school as I would have, most likely, seen you there.

How about the cracker barrels, held with our state representation by the Farm Bureau?

I missed the last one.

Now, the point of these questions is that our system of government allows the public to attend and, in most cases, voice their opinion. However, to do so effectively takes more time than just sitting through a meeting of any one of these bodies.

To know what is going on, you generally need to know what is on the agenda before hand and do a little bit of research.

Most of us do not have the time to attend every meeting. I know that I don't. I attend the meetings of the school board on a somewhat regular basis, but I don't attend the others. I do "track" what is going on through The Brazil Times (If I hear that someone wants to put gold leaf on Brazil's water tower, I'll definitely be at the meeting ... LOL).

For the most of these official meetings, they have an attendance record that rivals the football games played by the Clay City Eels. (For those of you that don't know, Clay City High School doesn't have a football team!).

It's not that the public isn't informed or welcome to attend. The public just doesn't show up unless there is money involved or a personnel issue such as the recent support for the principals. Unless there is some kind of controversy, the business of government is rather boring, no matter how necessary it is. If you don't believe that, well, Spring is coming. Take a couple of hours on a sunny day and watch an hour of C-span, then sit outside and watch your grass grow. Let me know which you enjoy the most. Most of the time, I would rather watch the grass grow. LOL, at least the movement of the insects and birds puts some movement in the picture!

As I said, from observing the conduct of business by the school board, I've often wondered why there aren't more questions asked by the board and more debate or discussion of the issues. Often, when a recommendation is made, I sit there waiting for someone to ask, "What are our other options?" Or to suggest another option. I did see that actually happen recently. However, most of the time, it is here is the recommendation, is there a motion, is there a second, how do you vote, the count is (blank) for, (blank) against, (blank) abstain. Next!

There are routine votes such as the consent agenda (minutes of prior meetings) that need no discussion or comment, items that can only be discussed in Executive Session that won't make sense to the public because they cannot be discussed in public but are required by law to be voted upon in public, routine approvals that must be voted on but must occur by law like the publishing of the budget, and many other things that are just necessary to operate. It can be boring, but the public is always welcome. The people that you have elected will enjoy your company. LOL.

The cracker barrels are more entertaining. Issues are discussed in more detail and there is more public participation allowed. But no official business is conducted. These are not "official" meetings, they are basically "informal." Some of you might be asking why our local boards and councils do not have cracker barrels. The reason is that if a quorum of one of these boards or councils attend, the meeting must, by law, become an "official" meeting of that entity and follow the established rules of that entity. We could invite one representative from each of several of these government bodies to a cracker barrel on local issues.

That could be interesting and informative to both the public and our officials.


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I feel the cracker barrels are opportunities for voters to remind our representatives what our wishes are as to how they represent us. I attended a recent one with Brad Elsworth in town. He actually called it something else, a listening session for him. Though he reminded us that the opinion of what he should do runs the entire gamut of opinion, he tries to represent the majority while still doing what is right in his best judgment using the information he learns, for the majority of his constituents, especially those who are paying the taxes.

Whether you like what a politician is doing or not, it is important to tell them that you agree or disagree so they can run an informal tally to help their decision making process. If only the people who DON'T like what the person is doing show up and complain, he might switch tactics when there are plenty who are happy with his decisions not taking time to tell him so. If you can't show up at these cracker barrels, use your phone or computer or even a pencil and paper to tell them what kind of job you think they are doing. If enough people take the time to do it, it may actually change some things for the better, or at least towards what the majority want and not only what the louder voices say before having to wait til the person's term is over.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 7:53 AM

One thing that I've found is that a lot of opinions are formed by the public without knowing the facts. Many times, the public forms an opinion without study. That opinion is a cry for "bread and circuses", something that the public thinks it wants without being based on fact that indicate what is needed or is in the best interest of the public.

Just as a diabetic does not enjoy taking insulin shots although he or she understands the consequences will be worse than the sting of the needle, there are times when a politician must disregard the cry for "bread and circuses" of the crowd and do what is needed.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 2:15 PM

The thing that really amazes me is the number of people that are willing to have no interest at all in the process, or have a little, but basically just trust their representative(s).

I've been to a few city council meetings, and I used to go to almost every school board meeting, but my work schedule doesn't allow me to get to hardly any of those anymore. I still follow these meetings through the Times, though I find that if you want a really accurate record of what took place, you simply have to be there. I also read the minutes of the meetings on the Clay Community School's website. But again, I'm sure that there are things that occur at these meeting that never find their way into the meeting minutes. Like the one time where one school board member called out to another school board member during a monologue to "please take notice of the miseltoe hanging from my coattail". Yes, that really was said in a public meeting! And no, it never appeared in the paper or the minutes of the meeting.

I think people that try to get involved, get frustrated when they feel decisions are being made before public input is received. I know I have walked away from many a meeting feeling that. You just have to keep believing in what you believe and try to make a difference.

Whether I agree or disagree with the opinions of Jenny and Leo (most often I agree), I really admire and thank them both for being the eyes, ears, and mouths of many who can't or won't take an interest.

-- Posted by ClayCountyGuy on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 6:47 AM

I believe that every voting resident of Clay County should be required to attend some of the council meetings as well as cracker barrel sessions. I am so sick of hearing people say, gosh, why did they vote that way? Between these ignorant voters and then our wonderful state leader, Mitch Daniels, trying his darndest to run this state totally amuck by doing away with local elected government officials (supposedly to save the taxpayers money), I'll be surprised if anywhere in this state of ours if there is one county that can say they have a nickel left in the accounts by the end of the year. If anyone thinks that Mitch Daniels can find someone more qualified and more schooled than those that are in the local government offices that will work in those same offices for the same pay, then, by all means, appoint away. But, might I mention, that there is not a single "state" employee who makes less than us, and I honestly do not think that there are any of them that even make as little as we do, not to mention the "perks" package they have. Just another way for Mitch to get his way by confusing everyone with the real issues that need to be dealt with...such as illegal immigration, out-sourcing OUR jobs, unemployment, taxes raised after being promised they would not, etc., etc., etc.

-- Posted by Clay County Resident on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 2:10 PM

Clay County Resident, You are so correct, have to work another full time job since the slasher took over, he paints a pretty picture about what he's done, the truth is he has hurt anyone in his way and has no respect for age or wisdom, 2 full time jobs for the past two years 7 days a week, it gets very old, not a choice, never know what he'll cut next.

-- Posted by Centered on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 6:35 PM


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