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Greed, The American Way
Posted Wednesday, July 29, 2009, at 9:24 PM
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I attended a work session of the Common Council of the City of Brazil recently.

One of the issues that was discussed was the keeping of chickens within the city limits. While there was some discussion of the health issues to the fowls and humans, there was more discussion on the effect of keeping of fowls and other barnyard animals on property values.

One citizen stated that he had thirty birds and another sixty on order, according to the guidelines that I found on PoultryOne's website (http://poultryone.com/articles/housing.html ), a flock of ninety birds would require a coop with a minimum size of 60 square feet (6 foot by 10 foot or equivalent) and an outdoor run 720 square feet (30 foot by 24 foot or equivalent). The total space requirement for a flock of ninety birds, according to those guidelines, is 780 square foot; which means that the size of the property, the location of the facilities, the proximity of human abodes to the chickens, and other things must be considered to protect the health of the public.

However, the issue came before the Council due to the fact that this citizen's neighbor's house is up for sale and that person was concerned about the man's chicken coop being in sight affecting the value of property. Greed rears its ugly head!

On the issue of the value of property, other citizens in the audience brought out the fact that they had bought and developed properties, now in the county but with the city considering annexation, as hobby farms with the intent to keep animals. Simply stated, the money that they had invested in those properties would be lost if they could no longer use their land for the purpose that they had bought it and they would lose more money as they would be taxed and have to expend money for upkeep on the property.

Where does your neighbor's property rights end? Doesn't it end at the property line? Isn't the selling price of an item an agreement between the buyer and the seller without the involvement of others?

I know that if I see an item at one store that I desire at one price and the same item at another at a different price, I'm inclined to buy at the lowest price. As with our school corporation and the Wallace property that was being considered for the Bus facility, the seller set a price and the potential buyer made an offer. The price was not agreed upon so the seller declined the offer. Isn't that the "free" market in action?

In my lifetime, I've been made many offers by others to purchase items that I own and offered to buy many items. No items ever changed hands without the price being agreed upon, excepting when items were stolen without my knowledge as in the case of a lawnmower. (That was a funny incident as the lawnmower was junk and the thief could have had it without risk for the asking.) In all of those transactions, I have never considered anything except the value that I place on the item and the price that I am willing to pay or the offered amount I would receive.

When I step on a car lot to buy a truck, I do not care what price that is on the car beside it. When I look at real estate, I consider many things, but I do not consider the house next door. I would consider the situation if there were an apartment building or a bar next door to a property as that would be a safety, security, and privacy issue to me, but a home, empty lot,, or other business is of little concern. Even if I took issue with what is on a property beside one I was considering, that is subject to change with the ownership of that property and the desires of the owner. I have been petitioned for the owners of properties near me to install a mobile home, to build a building that is the new VFW, and to put apartments on an empty lot. I have agreed with some of these uses and disagreed with others, but with little regard to the value I might get if I were to offer my property at sale. That value will be set when I do consider selling and at that time the buyer will have the right to make an offer. If we agree, this property will change ownership.

Greed has became the American way if it wasn't from the very beginning. Sitting in the council room, I thought of the phrase of "No taxation without representation". Isn't that just another way of saying "no sale" unless I agree to the price? Wasn't the issue of slavery in America an issue of property rights as the slaves were considered property?

America is not about freedom and liberty, it is about greed, money, and control. As long as your neighbor can convince enough people to stop you from doing what you want with what you have, you are not free.

What say you?


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There is no reason chickens should lower property values as long as roosters are not allowed, and there are reasonable restrictions on numbers. After all, it is legal to raise chickens in New York City. If city folk can live with chickens, then certainly we ought to be able to live with them.

-- Posted by Anodos on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 6:06 AM

We moved to rural Clay County in 2004 from southern California where keeping any kind of farm animal practically makes you a criminal. The best crop that was raised there was houses and more houses. I think as long as the animals are not creating a noise or bug problem it should be allowed, within reason. We are in the county and far from town limits so not a personal problem (we have goats). I just hate to see this starting up in a mainly rural, agricultural area. Please just be reasonable with the new laws.

-- Posted by cmountjoy on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 9:55 AM

Well if you do live in city limits there should be some sorts of limitations to what you can do with your home. To me if you want a bunch of chickens in your yard you should buy a home outside of city limits. It may not nessarily make the value go down on your home to have this sort of stuff near buy, but it sure does not help you make a sale.

-- Posted by The Crabb in AZ on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 10:43 AM

Considering I pay for my land, the taxes, and it's upkeep, I should determine what I do with my property. I do not have the audacity to tell my neighbors what color to paint their homes, what pets they can have, how short their grass should be, or what lawn ornaments they should or shouldn't have.

Why in the world would anyone think they may regulate what I am doing unless my activities trespass on to their property or endanger them in some way? Having chickens may not be your cup of tea, but you should still tolerate my chickens (yes, even my rooster) as I tolerate your loud motorcycles, radios, cars without mufflers, helicopters to and from the hospital, lawnmowers, woodsplitters, chain saws, children playing loudly, dogs barking, etc. At the City Council meeting, there was much discussion of property values in the economic sense and how your property impacts the value of your neighbors. However, if you are unable to use your property as you see fit, your land has diminished use and value to you, the property owner. I agree with The Lion. Your neighbor's property rights stop at the legal property boundry. If you invite yourself into your neighbor's land and personal business, then don't be surprised if the favor is returned. After all, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Can't we all be a little tolerant and respectful of one another's land, property and personal freedoms?

-- Posted by LLamaMan on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 11:03 PM

Let me see, why did I buy a home within the City of Brazil. I am from Clay County, I have a lot of friends and relatives within it. I'm a "country boy", raised in Bowling Green, Clay City, and Center Point. I feel best when there are no neighbors within the range of a rifle shot in at least one direction. However, the Good Lord saw fit to bless me with a child that was allergic to, of all things, corn, wheat, and soybean pollen along with about a hundred other things. Living in the city is the best way to avoid exposure.

Living within a city should have the same limitations as within the country, you should be limited to not affecting the health and safety of others nor to physically affecting their property such as by draining your waste onto their property or changing the course of a stream.

Why would I wish to change my way of life or something on my property to improve my neighbor's likelihood of getting his asking price out of a piece of property? Is he going to give me something for the effort? Far too many things have an impact upon the price that the buyer and seller will agree upon on the day of the sale for me to worry about something that is no concern of mine or city government. Sometimes, I get the impression that people involved in business have lost sight of the concept of value and the law of supply and demand. I know that they have lost any regard for individual freedom when it is suggested that the laws be changed to enhance their chance of making a sale by asking others to give up the right to use their property in a healthy and safe manner.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 9:57 AM


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