The Accidental Birther or Born in the U.S.A.?

Posted Sunday, January 23, 2011, at 3:06 PM
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  • To state, "The Constitution only has three requirements as qualifications for president: being 45 years of age, being born in the United States, and living in the United States for at least 14 years." is simply wrong. The requirements are:

    1) at least 45 years of age,

    2) that one is a natural born citizen,

    3) that one has lived in the US for at least 14 years.

    The definiton of "natural born citizen" is more than just having been born in the USA. It means that a person must be born in the USA and have been born of two US citizens. By his own admission, President Obama does not meet the definition of being a natural born citizen.

    Why didn't the article just say that one of the requirements was to be a "natural born citizen" instead of jumping to an open interpretation of that phrase for which there is no solid and irrefutable legal basis?

    Any possible birth of Barack Obama II outside the USA doesn't even matter. He's not a "natural born citizen" in that his father was not a US citizen. It's as simple as that. Yes, most people born in the USA are citizens as of that fact, but that doesn't make them natural born citizens.

    One other thing: The statement that read, "Governor Abercrombie's liberal bonafides are impeachable" should have read that liberal bonafides were UNimpeachable.

    Both of these points I have raised deserve a correction notice in the newspaper.

    -- Posted by Tryon on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 6:41 PM
  • GREAT article except the age to be President is 35 NOT 45.

    -- Posted by usna68 on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 8:20 PM
  • GREAT article but the age requirement to be President is 35 NOT 45.

    -- Posted by usna68 on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 8:24 PM
  • "Hear me Out"...I was born overseas, so was my brother. I'm the same age as Barry. My brother a bit older. My brother was born in Africa and I, Europe. Each of us can produce our birth certificates in 10 minutes. Those of us (LEGAL) immigrants needed this document to show proof for the many requirements in the U.S.. How can a man holding the most powerful job in the world have such difficulty obtaining a simple piece of paper.

    A request by him and the whole Nation jumps to attention; turning over every stone and pulling out every file. Somehow this paper isn't anywhere, probably because there isn't one. A copy of this certificate costs under $20.00.

    Even his trip to Hawaii failed to produce such a document, he even stayed two days longer. This is the same result as O.J. Simpson who's still looking for the killer. Try area 51, maybe it's in there. Sure the Obama fanatics and Democrats who are scared, scolded or believe anything the Messiah says would repeat anything told to them.

    This certificate is equal to the chronicles of 'Bigfoot', the elusive myth. Why would a man in his position spend hundreds of thousands of dollars sealing his college records and birth certificate. Can't his buddy George Soros help find it. We're talking millions of dollars in the largest 'Snipe Hunt' of the decade. Who would spend legal fees to protect the release of a simple document if he is innocent of the allegations. No one heard of him 6 years ago and suddenly he's the savior of the planet. The school in Indonesia had a policy that only Indonesians could enroll; that would mean his Dad would have to have denounced his citizenship (Barry's) so he could attend. He's moved around this globe more than 'Waldo'. One day when Americans discover more damage to this Nation and his the truth rises, he will relocate to one of the many vacation spots he's visited on U.S. funds. He can be Ambassador, or King or Prince, or Dictator of another Country. The gig will be up as time outlasts every story.

    -- Posted by sickoffools on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 9:51 PM
  • Correction: "His Dad would have had to"

    and "Nation and as the truth rises"

    Sorry for that, a distraction occurred.

    -- Posted by sickoffools on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 10:00 PM
  • Dear Tryon,

    Thanks for the correction regarding "impeachable." The word I intended to use was "impeccable," however a misspelling and a careless mouse click during spell check resulted in the error.

    As to "natural born citizen," the 14th Amendment ensures that all persons born within the United States or any of it's territories are citizens even if their parents are not. Thus the issue with "anchor babies" and illegal immigrants. There are also provisions for persons born outside of the U.S. to one or more U.S. citizens for qualification as a natural born citizen, but that goes beyond the scope of this article.

    -- Posted by Charles Hear on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 6:58 AM
  • Dear usna68,

    Thanks for the correction. I must confess I even double checked the age requirement before submitting the article. What I thought I knew from memory apparently trumped what I read.

    The correct minimum age is 35.

    -- Posted by Charles Hear on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 7:12 AM
  • Well seems that natural born or not, someone did not do their homework and challenge his citizenship...A bigger question might be, WHO in our government [if anyone] is supposed to do that?

    Is it something that is supposed to be presented when they sign up as a candidate?

    How is it done locally to prove residency?

    Could it be that the man truly thought that he was born in of course he wouldn't have remembered himself. IF a conspiracy theory I suspect the conspiracy was in the hands of his parents and not him. Are all dead now who would have been there? Most of us are told which hospital they were born in if in fact they were born in a hospital.

    By the way John McCain was born in Panama...not in US either but I believe on a military base so may be that there ARE exemptions after all...

    -- Posted by Jenny Moore on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 7:36 AM
  • The media continues to gloss over the "constitutional" facts even this story which is better then most.

    Obama during his campaign ADMITTED [confessed to ]his birth was GOVERNED [under laws] as a Brit.

    One can not be Governed as a Brit at birth and at the same moment be born a 100% AMERICAN AND NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. Obama was born with allegiance to england because of his father.

    As expressed in a SCOTUS case obama is in fact a "naturalized" citizen, At Best.

    "What is Naturalization"

    It is the removal of the disabilities of Alien age"[ KENYA FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS]

    So clearly with out any doubt, Obama is a naturalized citizen, at best, and can NEVER BE A NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN [Unless his father is NOT Obama Sr?]


    born a BRIT, always a BRIT and NEVER LEGIT!!

    -- Posted by MrNaturalBorn on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 9:44 AM
  • The 14th amendment has never been used in any Court to declare a person a Natural Born Citizens. Although it is true that Immigrations Attorneys over the last several decades have used to 14th amendment for "Anchor Babies", it is only for "Citizenship" status, not Natural Born Citizenship Status. Yes, there is a high degree of Differences, one that even the U.S. Supreme court has stated many times in the past.

    Furthermore, in order to understand the 14th amendment, one must read its entirety, including but not limited to the Congressional discussions surrounding its "Intent" and proper usage. As we know, the After the 13th announced the freedom of the Slaves, the 14th amendment declared those new free slaves citizens of the United States.

    John Bringham, known as the father of the 14th amendment stated: "I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents (Both) "not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen;" (Emphasis mine)

    Also important to understand, is that the 14th Amendment did not, nor does it state, nor declares any other Constitutional Article void. While it is also true, that it only requires, according to the U.S. Constitution, a "Citizen" to be a U.S. Representative, and only requires a "Citizen" to be a U.S. Senator, it requires a President to be a "Natural Born Citizen." While Senators and Representatives can in fact have duel allegiances (citizenship's) from Birth or Naturalized, the President cannot have such duel allegiances.

    -- Posted by William76 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 9:57 AM
  • Here is an excellent Legal essay on the differences between a Citizen of the United States and a Natural Born Citizen.

    -- Posted by William76 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 12:52 PM
  • You can see the brilliant thinking of why the founders wanted the president to be a natural born citizen with full alligence to the United States after observing Obama for the past two years. The socialist democrats, by their actions of covering up for obama, could care less if he was a real american as they depise this country. The socialist frauds that inhabit the MSM to the suprise of no one have totally ignored this story.

    Much as they ignored the climategate emails when the AGW/IPCC scam was exposed. They have zero creditibility left with the american people.

    -- Posted by spawn44 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM
  • There is a new theory about the birth certificate at by Kevin DuJon:

    HAWAII GROUND REPORT: Could Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie not be as incompetent and foolish as he appears, but orchestrating a deliberate birth certificate recovery dead end to cover his own papakole? UPDATED: Mystery solved! Reason Obama will not release birth certificate is because his name is legally written "Barry Soetoro" on it.

    -- Posted by jpv446 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 3:25 PM
  • Mr. Hear

    You mention in your article that Ambercombie found in his research that Obama's grandparents are the ones who registered Obama's birth.

    That is huge and key to the entire subject.That would explain why there is no vault BC but it would also cause complications for Obama.

    Do you have a source with Ambercrombie admitting the grandparents registered the Obama birth?

    -- Posted by RWGinger21 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 5:08 PM
  • Dear RWGinger21

    I don't recall where I first caught the story. I recall hearing it on the radio, I know I saw it on the Drudge Report, and I think it was on the Blaze. Nevertheless, this led me to a link to the Honolulu Star Advertizer.

    Today, Drudge links to the Politico for follow up on the story with the "Whitehouse reaction" which does not directly address the issue. Otherwise, the story seems to be displaced and I don't know where to look for their archives.

    I also supplemented my research by Googling the Governor's name. Some of the information found was quite credible. Some of it was not. I just tried my best to present my perspective on the story from the sources that I thought were believable.

    If it is proven that he is not eligilbe to serve, then what? Is it necessary to impeech? Is the election void and Biden takes over? Is the candidcay void and McCain becomes president???


    -- Posted by Charles Hear on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 6:00 PM
  • Mr H

    Thank you and whether or not Abercrombie admitted it Obama's grandparents registering Obama's birth in accordance with Hawaian laws at the time( which permitted babies not actually born in Hawaii to be registered as live births) which would have then triggered the newpape announcements make sense.

    I laugh when people try to give the newspaper announcements more credence than they are worth OR when they say how stupid we would be to question it. : Oh sure Obama's grandparents lied about Obama's birth just so he could run for President some day.

    No but by registering the birth Barry became a US citizen, which to the Grandparents was important.

    Thank you for a great article exposing so many of the lies.

    Please stay on this issue.

    -- Posted by RWGinger21 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 6:13 PM
  • My understanding is that POTUS has spent over on million dollars to a law firm, just to keep it out of the courts. Why? Why not just show it and pocket the mil?

    -- Posted by Conservative Dad on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 8:20 PM
  • @Jenny Moore

    Yes, Senator McCain was born in Panama at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station. Despite this, there is no question that he is a natural born citizen. This has been agreed on by not only conservatives, but also liberals.

    In 2008, the United States Senate passed a non-binding resolution that recognized Senator McCain as a natural born citizen. The following statutes can be applied to support the fact that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen.

    -- Posted by Young Conservative on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 10:33 PM
  • It was on the Drudge report and on the Blaze? OMG then it must be true. (please read the sarcasm here)

    We all know Glen Beck never gets it wrong (more sarcasm)

    Really Charles I expected better from you. Believe me if there was any truth to President Obama not being a natural born citizen, I'm pretty sure Bill and Hilary Clinton would have proven it during the primaries

    -- Posted by alwaysopenminded on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 9:35 AM
  • It was on the Drudge report and on the Blaze? OMG then it must be true. (please read the sarcasm here)

    We all know Glen Beck never gets it wrong (more sarcasm)

    Really Charles I expected better from you. Believe me if there was any truth to President Obama not being a natural born citizen, I'm pretty sure Bill and Hilary Clinton would have proven it during the primaries

    -- Posted by alwaysopenminded on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 9:35 AM

    Now of course there are some who do not beleive factcheck either....

    -- Posted by Jenny Moore on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 12:45 PM
  • Come on people..

    Go to snopes and/or factcheck.

    If you believe one or the other, he was a "live birth" in Hawaii.

    -- Posted by Jenny Moore on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 12:49 PM
  • @ alwaysopenminded

    If you recall, the Hilary camp didn't know how the primary votes were tallied - assmuming it was like the general election - and therefore lost a critical number of votes to gain the nomination. So, I wouldn't count on them having explored every aspect of this subject.

    -- Posted by brazilian on Wed, Jan 26, 2011, at 10:05 AM
  • Really? You don't think the Clinton's would have had every avenue covered. They are political animals (I mean this is a good way) Not unlike a good attorney who anticipates everything that could go wrong and is prepared for it.

    -- Posted by alwaysopenminded on Wed, Jan 26, 2011, at 4:16 PM
  • The facts :

    A picture on a website is NOT proof...

    BHO being an attorney would KNOW this!

    Factcheck is prevented by Hawaiian legal statute

    338:18 from authenticating BHO's certification and thus his POB ....

    Yet BHO as an attorney invites them to pay a

    "visit" to see a piece of paper anyway...

    Reason ?

    Shill statement !

    HDOH is pervented by 338:18 from disclosing information from original documents in the


    Yet SOME employees make press releases inferring that they have a Hawaiian long form BC in the vaults but make it clear that they are handling BHO's just like everyone else' in the vaults !

    Later the HDOH makes it clear that NO information can be released from docs in the vaults and yet posts links to both press releases one of which goes beyond the powers of the HDOH which is to declare BHO a natural-born citizen just after

    Congress passes a resolution declaring BHO such .

    The newspaper announcements do not have to originate from a hospital sending over the paperwork to the HHD/HDOH ....

    Thus the newspaper announcements when they

    do not state where the unnamed son was born are no more an authenticating item than any of the above that Barry has an alleged Hawaiian birth !

    However on the other side of the debate.....

    New Mexico governor Bill Richradson when speaking to immigrants calls BHO an immigrant, Michelle Obama calls BHO both a Kenyan and Kenya as BHO's homeland, Kenyan officials state BHO is Kenyan born, BHO' paternal step-grandmother of sorts states the POTUS passed through her hands when speaking of orphans and under priveleged children,

    that BHO is a son of the soil , that she was there in Kenya when BHO was born , and common knowledge amongst even the average Kenyan citizen that BHO is Kenyan born and of course there are election officials that state that it is common knowledge that there is no BC for BHO in the Hawaiian vaults , etc. !

    Thus the balance is tipped towards a Kenyan and not a Hawaiian birth !

    No wonder BHO and his defense team want to prevent plaintiffs from getting standing in a court proceeding to have his birth records disclosed in court !

    That on top of the fact that in a SC ruling , Minor vs Happersett there is in plain English

    THE definition for natural-born citizen to which BHO does not qualifiy for...... One, justice waite states was understood by the Framers of the US Constitution ........

    First off Waite states there are TWO ways to become a US citizen by birth and naturalization....

    Then Waite goes on to states who the children were that w/o a doubt became citizens at


    Those were w/o a doubt the children born in country to parentS who were the country's citizenS ..... These were the natives and natural-born citizens !

    " Minor vs Happersett circa 1875 ( Thus post 14th amendment ! )

    Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that "no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President," and that Congress shall have power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.

    The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.

    At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,

    as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

    Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

    For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea."

    Thus there is NO way BHO is eligible .....

    Gray in WKA did not state WKA was a natural-born citizen although he tries to compare a NBS

    ( natural-born subject) to a NBC (Natural-born citizen )... English common law made a subject totally and perpetually a subject ...

    The War of 1812 was fought because English common law did not recognize a US naturalization whereby the oath of naturalization severed all ties to past allegiances including the British crown and King !

    -- Posted by RTM on Tue, Feb 1, 2011, at 1:21 PM
  • Factcheck and Snopes ? :))

    Neither cite 338:18 as THE reason

    why NO PROOF has been provided by BHO

    or anyone else that BHO had a Hawaiian

    birth ......

    Since BHO is fighting the release of

    what he claims makes him eligible...

    Even BHO knows he doesn't have proof of

    what he claims .

    BHO is simply a con man pulling a

    fast one on the American citizenry !

    -- Posted by RTM on Tue, Feb 1, 2011, at 1:32 PM
  • McCain is NOT eligible either ....

    The insular cases and the Foreign

    Affairs manual make it clear that American embassies and military bases in foreign nations are not considered under US jurisdiction and thus do not grant US citizenship via jus soli

    Although McCain is a US citizen .... He is merely a statuatory US citizen and NOT a natural-born citizen !

    Since BHO co-sponsored SR511 where the language of the bill makes it sound like McCain's being born on or in close proximity to a US military base somehow magically grants him jus soli and

    of course US parents do undoubtedly grant him

    jus sanguinis US citizenship ...

    That was just another ruse to psuedo qualify the opponent he or Hillary would run against in the GE since someone had already challenged McCain earlier on his eligibility but couldn't get standing .....

    Neither BHO nor Hillary were playing politically nice...

    They had their reasons for doing so !

    Of course the myth built around McCain's pseudo-eligibility has a familiar ring when compared to BHO's appeal to birth in Hawaii and having a mother with US citizenship but they just couldn't make BHO Sr. fit with the same definition offered up in SR511 ....

    So the appeal must be made to the 14th w/o addressing the idea that McCain needed BOTH parents and birth on a US military base to

    appear eligible in the resolution BHO co-sponsored for McCain !

    The added dimension of ridicule was added

    to make it appear opponents must be loons to bring up BHO's eligibility when McCain's was openly debated and no one labeled anyone that doubted McCain's citizenship a "birther" !

    Just be aware that a con man has duped America in BOTH cases .........

    McCain and BHO's !

    Neither are eligible.

    -- Posted by RTM on Tue, Feb 1, 2011, at 5:07 PM
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