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Incident brings school security into question

Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Tim Rayle
Although no official report was made, the Indiana State Police was called to Northview High School in late April for a very odd matter.

On April 30, state police officials were dispatched to the school for an allegedly intoxicated individual who had entered the school.

The Clay County Sheriff's Department were unable to dispatch to the school that day because of another call.

"Obviously somebody noticed," Clay County Sheriff Mike Heaton told The Times. "We called state police because our deputy, who was working, was on the other side of the county."

According to a report provided by CCSD, Northview Principal Tim Rayle called the report in that an apparent intoxicated male had walked into the school and attempted to use the restroom.

According to the report, the man left walking westbound on State Road 340.

"The school did the right thing," Heaton said. "Nowadays, you've got to be careful. Being prepared is the main thing."

Northview Assistant Principal Lynn Romas said the unknown man walked up to the senior patio, located on the northwest corner of the school, and told students he had to use the restroom.

"I think the kids thought he was (intoxicated), but we have no evidence of that," Romas told The Times.

Romas said the senior patio is an area where senior students may go outside and eat lunch. He said the students immediately notified school officials the man was there and officials escorted him out of the building.

Clay Community Schools Director of Buildings and Grounds Tom Reberger said he was unaware of the incident, but said something like that happening surely would bring building security to the forefront.

"I was not aware of it," Reberger said. "But if it did happen, it would be a major concern. We just don't want anyone walking in off the streets."

CCSC Board President Terry Barr agreed.

"I would think it would," Barr said. "We have too few adults keeping eyes on doors. I don't think anyone could want (increased security) more than I want it."

Recently, the school board of trustees had suggested a renovation project that included security improvements to school buildings.

Reberger said secondary principals within the corporation recently met with representatives from Schmidt Associates, Indianapolis, who are working on the project. Reberger said they had an opportunity to look at blueprints.

"They were working on preliminary designs for security," Reberger said.

Rayle told The Brazil Times the meeting with the architects gave principals the opportunity to see several different options regarding enhanced school security.

He said he would prefer magnetic doors that could be locked throughout the day in addition to video cameras by the doors and door buzzers that would allow people into the building.

"We were just throwing out ideas," Rayle said. "For us at secondary, (security) is priority No. 1."

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Any how long ago did this happen? Wow. No one found out about it? Where was the chain of communication. How could you let something like this slide? It sounds to me like whoever escorted him out of the building rubbed it off as not a big deal. This is a big deal. I'm glad that we are trying to make our schools safer in a time where we really need to be concerned!

-- Posted by BrazilScholarly on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 1:27 AM

PEOPLE... get out and start the drive to get our schools made safer! This is unacceptable! You as parents, taxpayers, and neighbors owe this to your children! This is the time for action! Find out who is on the committees at your schools and get this put through!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 7:16 AM

like i said there are strange things in this town happening that dont even make the news!

-- Posted by c1iwant on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 7:51 AM

"Obviously somebody noticed," Clay County Sheriff Mike Heaton told The Times. "We called state police because our deputy, who was working, was on the other side of the county."

Do we really only have one deputy on the Sheriff department working at a time?

-- Posted by localgal on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 8:23 AM

It's obvious something needs to be done, however, we don't need wide spread "do it now and not think it through" panic. That will cost all of us in the long run.

-- Posted by Emmes on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 10:24 AM

It's not a do it now mode. This security issue has been in the forefront for months. The plans have been drawn up and all is ready to go. However, 150 people thought it was done wrongly so now we have to get signatures to get it in place.

-- Posted by madmom61 on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 10:25 AM

A "do-it" now thought. We've had several years to get this taken care of. I would say we are in a do-it now stage. The kids are worth the security and to be ensured they are safe when they go to school. Lets do-it now and get our schools safe.

-- Posted by BrazilScholarly on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 11:05 AM

why wasn't there a newsletter or maybe something in the Brazil Times about this when it happened? Maybe coz' Brazil Times wanted a fee to place it in the paper? maybe not. Maybe the School was trying to sweep it under the carpet, maybe not. Safety of our children is a must and if they are in school then The School should do something. We always wait til something happens before we look at it. Then we try to fix it. Lets Fix the Security in the Schools NOW before someone gets killed or kidnapped.

-- Posted by Sand mann on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 11:20 AM

The schools obviously need more security. It hasn't been that long ago that one of our schools was shot at & one had a bomb threat. If this guy can just walk in off the street, what would stop someone who would want to do harm to our children & grandchildren?

-- Posted by th1953 on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 2:01 PM

this was a very good idea for calling the police.....we need more security at our schools.

-- Posted by nhs_babe_2011 on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 2:51 PM

Obviously, from the posted comments, those people who were quoted in tha article have received the response that they desired. No one has bothered to ask the glaring question of why the students were outside without supervision on that supposedly closed campus. Also, since it is corporate policy that every door except one, the one nearest the office, why was it possible for entry to be made elsewhere? What member of the staff is pending disciplinary action for the lapse in current security?

A lot of good it will do to spend money on more security when we do not use the locks we have or the policies that, supposedly, are in place.

It is very interesting that the school corporation is willing to spend gobs of money on security when children stand along the side of the road while waiting for a bus or to walk down city sidewalks to get to the school every day. Seems that the students are fairly safe when they get to the school. The school corporation just wants to spend the taxpayer's money, yet the one thing that they don't want to do is spend it wisely. They would rather maintain the status quo instead of doing something to improve education or lowering education costs.

-- Posted by FlyinLion on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 5:08 PM

The person entered the building at the Northeast corner. The main entrance, and supposedly the only door left unsecured while school is in session, at the office is located at the southeast corner of the building. As the man was escorted from the building by staff, they should know who he is. The school is a public building, although with limited access. Had he reported to the office, would he have been told to use the restroom elsewhere? I think not.

This story was spun for maximum frightfulness by people looking to do nothing more than further their own agenda, which,apparently, is to maintain the status quo and spend as much money as the taxpayer will allow with a highly questionable and expensive building project that shows little promise of improving education within the corporation. Security devices do not make you safe nor do they teach, but they do cost. Security devices only give you a false sense of security. Perhaps we should take a tour of the Federal Prison at Terre Haute and renovate our schools with that concept in mind. Somehow, I don't think that will be conducive to learning, but, if we also adopt the same rules and regulations as policy and then enforce the policy, the students will be about as safe as they could be.

-- Posted by FlyinLion on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 8:00 PM

FlyinLion did you know about this event before it was printed in the paper? Apparently many people, including the media, parents, and other school officials, had no clue what happened until they were contacted about this for the interview or read this story.

The school didn't inform the families of the school children. I wasn't informed and I have two children in this school! WHY?

REMEMBER: It isn't the responsibility of the local newspaper, who by the way can't be everywhere all the time, to inform parents there was a security breach.

It's not law enforcement's responsibility either.

It's the school administration's responsibility.

I wonder how many people knew but didn't say anything?

I think as a community we need to ask ourselves: Why is it that secrets like this, which could potentially endanger others safety, run wild in this city and this county?

-- Posted by Cy on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 8:25 PM

Cy, this was not an event, it was a non-event that has been spun into hyperbole to frighten the public by the school corporation in the attempt to scare people into backing the building project.

Think of it, you are walking down a road and feel the need to relieve yourself. Would you knock on a stranger's door or would you have went to the school?

I have grandchildren that are in that school and, no, I had not heard anything about this. But I sat in my car yesterday as a student registered for classes and got her schedule. Had I needed to relieve myself, I would have entered the building.

Of course, I would have entered via the main entrance. I had thought that that was the only door that was unlocked and am flabbergasted that that is not te fact after the school corporation's statements that we need more security. What good are locks of any type that are not being put to use? The school corporation has a policy about entry control, only the main door is to be unlocked, but obviously, Northview is not conplying with it. I would like to know why. I will ask that question at the school board meeting tonight.

-- Posted by FlyinLion on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 5:46 AM


I feel sorry for you that you are so angry with the world. I would think that if you have grandchildren in the school you would want to provide every opprotunity to keep them safe.

As has been pointed out many times by many people NOTHING is fool proof in terms of secuirty. We have areas of concern and those need to be addressed. I am sure the fact that this door was unlocked is an issue that needs to be corrected.

If we continue to act like this is a PLOT by the school to take our money, then our children will suffer. Check out other schools nation wide. Security is needed everywhere that a child attends class.

If this does not pass and GOD FORBID something happens here, what will that do to your tax dollars??? The lawsuits would never end.

I for one am willing to let my tax rate stay at the same rate and try to make our schools safer. I personally think the children are worth it.

-- Posted by madmom61 on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 7:54 AM

I moved here from a small mountain town in Virginia called Blacksburg. Sound familiar? the six years I spent there I "felt" totally safe. I think 911 changed that perception for a lot of people and no matter what we spend on high priced security systems to gain back that perception of being safe, it is only that. A perception. Yes we must be diligent and take steps to keep ourselves from being vulnerable. Yes as a corporation, the schools must do what they can, not only to make our children more secure, but to minimize the threat of civil suits when [yes as it will happen. Might be next week or next century, but something will happen as you can't safeguard anything completely] when disaster strikes. Students no longer can carry their backpacks during the day due to "safety concerns" but in truth they can still bring their backpacks into the school and place them into their lockers so a concealed weapon still is easy to bring into the building. Just can't be taken to class. It's the same on national level. If someone wants to, they will find a way to hurt us. A better security system would be understanding and respect, an effort to learn why some one may want to do us harm so we can extend to them a hand in friendship before they feel so alienated. EACH of us is responsible for our collective insecurity when we make the decision to judge another who has a different life style or culture. Only when a person tries to force another into accepting another's beliefs will they feel backed into a corner, thinking that there is no other alternative with which to call attention to their dilemma.

Sure there will still be a few mentally ill people who may want to cause havoc, and yes we must act responsibly to prevent harm but too many times we act offensively and that breaks down our safety barrier more times than not.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 9:33 AM

All these comments overwhelm me. Is this really something to get our panties in a bunch about? I'm all for safety and security of our schools, I have two children who will be entering the school system this next school year. But I feel our school corporation is doing the best it can with what it has available to them. Face it we're a small town with not a whole lot to work with. But we're on slowly making the appropriate changes, as that is how it should be. If your childs safety was such a stress to you, shouldn't they be walking around in a bubble? Anything can happen, anywhere. What stops someone from going mad in a store, gas station, restruant as your child is present?

In all, some people just require there be drama in their lives. So if picking on people's job position, the school corporation and news paper is a means to that drama, there you have it. Just be thankful the kids/school staff reported it and nothing horrible became of it. There's a lot worse these kids will face or have faced outside in the world than an assumed intoxicated man walking around.

-- Posted by hoosiertwins on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 3:07 PM


does that mean you are ok with no security??? I dont think of this as drama, I think of it as common sense!

We have been asked to sign petition for or against these improvements. There is only drama caused by the people who are afraid to let lose with a few dollars.

As for putting kids in a bubble... don't think that is what we were talking about!

Bet the parents of Columbine wish this had been an option for them a few years ago!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Okay all you who are absolutely spazzed out. Do you keep your front door at home locked at all times? Come on, you know that all schools have issues and though the safety of our children is not something to be taken lightly, I don't believe our county has approached things lightly. They are always attentive and have assured the safety of our children through bomb threats, bad weather, police stand-offs in local area and they will continue to make changes and think of our children's safety. I do not want my children growing up completely sheltered from the world, how else will they learn common sense to protect themselves if we expect everyone else to do it for them? The students did the right thing and reported the incodent to staff and the staff reacted calmly and responsibly. You cannot lock all the dorrs, that is called imprisonment, and is illegal. Instead of teaching our children to be fearful of the world and hide in corners we should teach them common sense and proper means of reacting to the world around us. No parent can watch their child every second of the day and know exactly everyting that is going on around....how can you unrealistic people expect the staff to do what you cannot? Grow up!

-- Posted by Carlas_35 on Mon, May 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM

I went to that school and i know what security is like at that school. When i was at that school a similar situation occured. The funny thing i find about this is that if this man had opened fire on the students everyone would be talking about this in a grand scale. There would be discriptions galore about this man. BUT how can a school that supposivly stated that this man was escorted from the school did not have an accurate discription of it, nor how come he wasn't detained in some fashion. Also there are to be cameras in that school, if this guy was walked thru the school then why isn't he on one of those cameras? Humm they were convieniently not working that day...well that makes me feel safe...As for the clay county sheriff these guys do a great job, but someone should have left the jail and went heck sent the fire department anything would have been better than what was done. So you get some publicity about it, but it would have been in better light that they were actually doing something to resolve the situation then "oh he wondered in and was escorted out and we don't know who he is or what he looks like" whatever people get your heads out of the sand, sweep it under the rug all you want, it's still under the rug, you screwed up. Perfect NORTHVIEW doesn't want negative publicity, well guess what you got it now! In my job i'm in schools all over the state, and believe me, their security sucks. In every school i go to you can not acess it from the outside unless buzzed in. you have to show id the so call senior patios have a fence up around it and the kids don't mind, everytime i've gone to one, they always have stuff hanging from the walls decorating it making it thier own space. And the one thing you always see, is someone walking the grounds. it's not a prison when you are protecting the children. Children would rather be safe and learn then not. You'd be surprised how many kids we talk to that when given the choice of officers walking the hall and not would rather have them there. We live in an VERY unsafe society and need to take precautions to make sure they are safe. Usually the ones complaining about the safety measures are the parents the ones who don't even have to deal with it. So people shut up and deal. REmember columbine if it was to happen hear you'd all be screaming for stronger protection instead of complaing about it....get your heads out of the sand people and grow up.....NORTHVIEW SCREWED UP AND NOW WANTS IT COVERED UP!!!!!! if you want to be mad at someone, be mad at them.

-- Posted by cheeziette on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 11:58 AM

cheeziette.....Please tell me your business in schools all over the state has nothing to do with educating the students. If so, pick any of the schools and take a refresher course in proper use of the English language.

-- Posted by Bigpappy on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 8:45 PM

Cheeziette-You need to go back to Northview and volunteer your security expertise and then you could take about 3 hours of remedial English while you are there. Your rant loses it's bite when it comes across as an uneducated rant against the "system" and all it's shortcomings. At least flyin lion can put together a sentence(or should I say a coherent babbling diatribe).

-- Posted by rdevil8 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:56 AM


You have got to be kidding! Maybe my word choice (event instead of incident) was improper, but you are way off topic when you wrote:

"Think of it, you are walking down a road and feel the need to relieve yourself. Would you knock on a stranger's door or would you have went to the school?"

Um...these are not appropriate options for any adult -- drunk or sober -- to choose from.

It is not a public restroom, it is a school! Unless you have business in that facility you have no business going in there...period!

Go home, walk to a gas station or suck up the embarrassment and find a neighbor or get to know your neighbor for once.

You write this:

"This was not an event, it was a non-event that has been spun into hyperbole to frighten the public by the school corporation in the attempt to scare people into backing the building project."

Why is it that you are the only person to bring that type of statement up when it comes to topics like this?

As far as the project goes: This INCIDENT proves there are problems that need to be addressed.

Not later, now.

And lets' also all admit to this one point: No matter whether we do the construction to update the buildings, we implement new educational reforms or create new policies to ensure the safety of our children...IT WILL COST MONEY!

Someone will have to pay for anything that we do to solve the problems that we are facing now, and in the future.

"This story was spun for maximum frightfulness by people looking to do nothing more than further their own agenda, which,apparently, is to maintain the status quo and spend as much money as the taxpayer will allow with a highly questionable and expensive building project that shows little promise of improving education within the corporation."

Whose agenda does this comment serve?

The paper reported the facts when they learned about what happened. Law enforcement provided details in an informative manner, neither pointed fingers.

The school, apparently, didn't want to let people know because we would have been aware before this story ran. But when called, they talked.

Who spun their comment for maximum frightfulness?

Did it occur with anyone, other than me, that no one used scare tactics in the story?


This is a scary incident for parents who trust and put the safety of their children in school officials.

Let's face it: This situation wasn't handled in a good way.

But we know about it now, let's fix the problem.

Pointing fingers won't solve anything.

-- Posted by Cy on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 7:05 PM

I do believe this is a non-event in the realm of life also. We don't want strangers walking into our schools but if you are naive enough to think we could really stop a dastardly act if someone wanted to do it you are badly misguided. The schools are more secure then ever but will never be fail proof because of all the people who NEED to go in and out on an hourly basis. We can be scared into building a missile defense shield and let the bad guys bankrupt us or we can live life and not stress about things we virtually have no control over. Be responsible, teach responsible, be respectful, teach respectful, be accountable, teach accountable, be moral, teach moral, be humble, teach humble, be productive, teach productive, be involved, teach involved, and be graceful, teach graceful!!!! Adults need to exude these qualities and pass them on to their child.

Questioning and constantly disrespecting those in decision making postions does not mean anything unless you can look in the mirror and say you live up to values I just mentioned. Clean your own house and then you can start to clean elsewhere. If you are going to argue to change standards, live with standards.

-- Posted by rdevil8 on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 10:25 AM

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