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Arrests made from 'suspicious' fire

Wednesday, May 28, 2008

In less than 48 hours, officials have detained two Brazil juveniles for their alleged involvement in what officials have called a suspicious fire Sunday evening.

Brazil City Police Chief Terry Harrison released information to The Brazil Times about the joint investigation with the Brazil City Fire Department Wednesday afternoon. He was appreciative of tips provided by the public that assisted in the case.

"I'm really pleased this has been resolved in such a timely manner," Harrison said. "We immediately started an investigation after the fire Sunday night. Information provided to the department by someone in the community helped bring it to such a quick resolution."

Shortly before 8 p.m., Sunday, the Brazil City Fire Department was dispatched to a home at 611 West Jackson Street that was fast burning with intense heat and smoke. Firefighters were on the scene battling the fire until around midnight.

At the time, Brazil Fire Chief Jim Smith said the fire was suspicious in nature because there were no utilities in service at the home, which has been vacant for several years. It was later determined that an unidentified accelerant was used to start the fire, which destroyed the home.

Harrison, Smith and Det. Clint McQueen were able to locate two juveniles believed to be involved and took them into custody for questioning. During the interview, the juveniles said they were "bored and looking for something to do" when the fire was started.

Both juveniles, one 17-years-old and the other 14, were detained and sent to a juvenile detention facility in Muncie, Ind., while officials arranged for a probable cause hearing to justify their detention, and further detention, in a Clay County Circuit Court Wednesday afternoon.

Harrison said enough evidence was provided during the court proceedings to set an initial hearing for formal allegations to be brought against the two juveniles. Each is expected to be charged with one B felony count of arson and one A misdemeanor count of criminal trespass for their alleged involvement in the fire.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is reviewing the case to see if, because of the nature of the incident and the severity of the charges, the unidentified 17-year-old should be waived into adult court.

According to Clay County Prosecutor Lee Reberger, if waived to adult court and convicted of the two charges, the 17-year-old juvenile could face a range of potential penalties, including a jail sentence of 6-20 years for the B felony and up to a year imprisonment for the A misdemeanor.

Although facing the same charges, Reberger said the 14-year-old juvenile, if found delinquent, would be punished according at the discretion of the court according to the guidelines set in the juvenile court system.

Reberger said both juveniles would remain in detention until their initial hearings, scheduled for Tuesday, in Clay Circuit Court. He was unable to provide further information due to the ongoing investigation.


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Good job on tracking these "thugs" down! Try them as adults ...they did adult crimes!!!!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 3:30 PM

You know what is so sad about this whole situation. One of the individuals involved has had their parents seeking help since they were 5years old and this child was placed into a treatment center for a couple of weeks and then tossed back to the parents. This child has been on so many different medications from so many doctors and nothing was ever dealt with the core problem of this child. The courts want to do nothing to help until these kids kill, steal, or destroy something. Not just the courts, the social services there are no better. I know hundreds of calls were placed to them for help and look how much they helped. We look at these individuals and think they must have horrible parents, but the sad thing is these kids come from every economic background and from the parents who don't care to those whose whole life is involved to make them the best they can be. It happens everywhere and until our system steps up and takes responsibility we are going to continue to get more and more kids going to jail when what they needed was getting them help when they were young and it could have made a big difference.

-- Posted by onetwomany97 on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 3:44 PM

My parents did not seek HELP to raise me if I did something wrong, I got the seat of my pants warmed. too many parents are afraid of spare the rod and spoil the child cause they are threatened with Child abuse charges by these wayward souls so it just keeps getting worse. Bored is not an excuse !! i have always said there is a difference between a whipping and a beating

-- Posted by Sidney on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 9:50 PM

I'm with you Sidney! Teaching children right from wrong and making them accountable for their actions is NOT child abuse. I do not believe children are born "bad". Usually, children who take part in destructive decision-making do so because of poor parenting.

-- Posted by Bigpappy on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 10:25 PM

geez...this is sad. I feel for these families.But,madmom61 seems to be mad at the world.(thugs??)I just wonder if God gave her Angels to raise in the society that we live in now.How wonderful if we all were blessed with angelic children.Sometimes when the shoes on the other foot people sing a different song!!!Just thank God none of a firemen were injured trying to save a old worn out unsightly home in our community!!

-- Posted by always love your children on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 11:45 PM

I don't know either the children nor the parents, but God help our children in this world today. Thank God nobody was hurt! Parents have to work, society has made that happen, no more staying home raising kids. No more 8-5 M-F, we work nights, days, weekends, and holidays. How do we make these kids more responsible? Yes, there are many parents to blame, but society has had a big part in this. Single moms working 2 jobs to feed the kids. Dads not paying support, after 6 months they will go to jail for it, but still no money to mom and the kids. I only hope we can do the right thing, 17 years old should know reality, 14 sounds like a follower. I agree madmom must have raised angels for children, cause all kids make mistakes. This is major!!!

-- Posted by mamawpam on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 6:22 AM

Excuse me??? Mad at the world???? I just think if you burn a house down that you have ISSUES and need to have just treatment! I am not mad at the world.. I am mad at a world that allows this kind of behavior!

I do not have angels to raise. My kids have had all kinds of issues but i want them to get what they have coming if they do things like burn a house down. Not time to hold hands and sing....

-- Posted by madmom61 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 6:51 AM

I think some of you are completely missing the point of what madmom is trying to convey. All children will make mistakes. All adults will make mistakes. I just think what she is saying is that it is time for accountability. We cannot take the stance that being bored or mad at the world justifies illegal actions. I think these kids should expect swift and severe punishment for their crime. It makes me wonder what you all would be thinking if it were your house and if your kids might have been inside that house at the time.

-- Posted by cubbiefan on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 7:00 AM

Maybe the city bears some responsibility for these types of problems. The house was vacant for years? What happened to the gung-ho mindset of requiring owners to improve the propertry or have it torn down. These types of property are all over town, and the city needs to step up the pressure to have them removed. Mrs. Bradshaw wanted to be Mayor, so do the peoples work and clean up the city.

-- Posted by ucantbserious on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 7:34 AM

Where in the heck do you guys get that I raised angels? Have I said that?

I think if you do the crime, you do the time.

Make parents and kids accountable! My kids have had issues and I expect them to get punished! Why do we have to blame others? These kids were wrong, they broke the law and now they pay!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 8:08 AM

For fear of another of my postings sounding like "unoit" and I are fraternal twins (wink) .. I have to agree with being tired of the "I'm bored" excuse.

You think you're bored now?? Wait until you're sitting in a 6x6 cell being told when to wake up, when to eat, when to sleep and when to .. well, you get the idea. Hmmm .. maybe that's what these boys needed all along .. structure.

Speaking from experience and my opinion ONLY .. I believe that every child that doesn't make a 3.5 GPA should be required to attend boot camp for 8-10 weeks .. not join the military, mind you .. but receive some guidance and structure in their lives. You'd see a difference in respect for self and others .. believe me.

Sad this had to happen to open up the eyes of the kids, the parents and the authorities.

-- Posted by Emmes on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 10:41 AM

I wish it would open up peoples eyes! I am so upset about this article and the responses. It does take a village to raise a child. The village all has to make sure that every child is a positive and if you become a negative then you have to pay your debt!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 11:28 AM

Hmmm....3.5 grade average? There isn't enough room anywhere to hold that many people. What exactly does a grade point average have to do with anything? I guess I better pack my bags for boot camp cause I sure did'nt get good grades in school. Right is right and wrong is wrong,gpa has diddly squat to do with that.

-- Posted by fitch30437 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 3:24 PM

this is to mad mom i am the mother of one of these kids and yes i agree they both need punished but until you have walked in my shoes you really should not judge me i for one would be the first to turn one of my kids in for something they did and in fact i have its called tough love and believe me it is tough but this is the only way they learn everyone seems to know how to help my kid but 128 diff. meds. and diff. doctors and all i hear is there is no cure for him they call it organic symdrome disorder because they have no idea what it truely is it is really sad because i never know what is going to happen next i have delt with this for 12 years but regardless he is my son and i love him dearly if there is no cure then why all the meds. i wish someone could help me and him yes he is getting time for his actions but his life is not over he will be out again then what ill tell you it will be the same thing all over again because no one seems to know how to help him just every one thank the good lord tonight for healthy happy children kiss your kids and tell them you love them

-- Posted by OntheRight08 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 7:56 PM

this is to mad mom i am the mother of one of these kids and yes i agree they both need punished but until you have walked in my shoes you really should not judge me i for one would be the first to turn one of my kids in for something they did and in fact i have its called tough love and believe me it is tough but this is the only way they learn everyone seems to know how to help my kid but 128 diff. meds. and diff. doctors and all i hear is there is no cure for him they call it organic symdrome disorder because they have no idea what it truely is it is really sad because i never know what is going to happen next i have delt with this for 12 years but regardless he is my son and i love him dearly if there is no cure then why all the meds. i wish someone could help me and him yes he is getting time for his actions but his life is not over he will be out again then what ill tell you it will be the same thing all over again because no one seems to know how to help him just every one thank the good lord tonight for healthy happy children kiss your kids and tell them you love them

-- Posted by OntheRight08 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 8:01 PM

-- Posted by OntheRight08 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 8:10 PM

-- Posted by OntheRight08 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 8:11 PM

as one of the older brothers of one of the juveniles accused in the case of arson i believe if you do the crime you pay the time, but not comming from a richie rich life my brother grew up not so easy not including he has problems with anger control for which he is on a range of medication for. I know what my brother has done is wrong by far anyone could have been hurt in that fire it was dumb. If you want someone to blame then blame the judical system in brazil he was evaluated for all the trouble he has caused by an institution called DOC in which they told the judge they wanted him put in a residental place and instead the judge lets him off house arrest and gives him the opportunity to do the wrong thing so if you want someone to blame you can start there and as it goes for my parents you should walk a day in their lives not so easy to control someone that cant control themselves and as it goes for a 3.5 gpa please like i said we are not a perfect little richie family who has everything in life perfect dont judge these kids but yet before you lay your head down tonight say a little prayer for them and that they learn from this. oh and by the way for someone who is behind the scenes i have yet to hear either child say they were just bored.

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 9:05 PM

I don't believe I ever blamed the parents. I just said that these kids deserve punishement. I would expect the same for my children.

My heart goes out to the families involved. Having an ill person in your house is hard on everyone!

I hope now that he is" in the system" he can get the help he needs.

As a parent all we can do is try. If you tried, then nobody can blame you!

God's peace!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 7:12 AM

natural meds. was never an option for my child i even thought about taking him off all meds. but when i mentioned this to his doctor he said taking him off his meds. against medical advise would be medical negalect . he has also been in counciling for years.i have to agree with you about his meds. i do believe they have caused more damage than good .i just hope there is a doctor where he goes that might be able to help him and maybe even take him off some of his meds because 16 pills a day is alot for there to be no cure for him and the side affects on some of them will just cause other health problems as he gets older.jhowever even with all his problems i firmly believe like everyone my child deserves to be punished.

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 9:49 AM

I love how madmom61 is the first to judge people always you really dont know peoples situations to call them "thugs" and why do you all comment on the stories that are bad i have yet to see anyone comment one any of the good stories. I truly think that b4 you all start putting people down on here think of the families that are reading this and if you really know all the facts to start saying things about these people. And when you say it takes a village to raise a child where do you help really? By name calling these "CHILDREN" on the computer? I dont think your suck the great person you think you are

-- Posted by lilmomma on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 7:21 PM

"I dont think your suck the great person you think you are"

I don't speak Brazilbilly. Could you please tell me what that means?

I don't want to judge you AND ASSUME YOU MEAN SOMETHING YOU DON'T!!

And furthermore, I do comment on many stories including the good ones. Maybe you should improve your literacy skills and read some of the other postings!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 9:39 AM

heylilmomma

How was this a rude post? Were you being quick to judge??? How was that helping?

"I don't believe I ever blamed the parents. I just said that these kids deserve punishement. I would expect the same for my children.

My heart goes out to the families involved. Having an ill person in your house is hard on everyone!

I hope now that he is" in the system" he can get the help he needs.

As a parent all we can do is try. If you tried, then nobody can blame you!

God's peace!

-- Posted by madmom61 on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 7:12 AM "

-- Posted by madmom61 on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 10:15 AM

TO: ANG_65 - If you don't like Brazil, GET OUT!! You are probably on a welfare program so just ask if you can relocate. You also stated that you tell everyone you are from Terre Haute or Greencastle, well OOPS! They have juveniles committing crimes also.

I feel the probably could be that there aren't enough "fun" activities for kids to do. They can't go to the movies in Brazil because the owner doesn't allow juveniles to talk (even whisper) but the adults are allowed to use cell phones, talk loudly. Kids can't skateboard - no where to go.

Cities need to consider having activities that kids can afford to do to relieve boredom.

-- Posted by Taxpayer5253 on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 8:47 AM

I'm like you if you don't like Brazil then get out move to Terre Haute or Greencastle.I have lived here all my life and I love living in Brazil IN

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 11:44 AM

Be careful on here... people will jump all over you for being a "meanie" haha

-- Posted by madmom61 on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 2:22 PM

ang_65 if you do not like brazil then go back to where you came from because we do not need people like you here..... as i have said before i am the mother of one of these so called tyrants and i do not consider myself a bad parent!!!!!!!!!! im real tired of everyone thinking they know what is truely going on here. you do not even know me or what my life is about . i have to work to take care of my family because i am able to work unlike most i do not live off of welfare . life sometimes is not easy... these kids made a very bad choice in there young lifes and now they will have to pay for there actions as far as being out all hours of the night it was in fact still daylight when this happened so get your facts straight before you go making comments about thingsyou know nothing about !!! walk in my shoes for 5 minutes and you will never ask for them again. who cares if you can spell type errors happen all the time it dose not mean anyone is a brazilbilly it just means they hit a wrong key everyone needs to stop being so judgemental all the time because no one is perfect or without fault not even you so if you hate it here then leaveim sure a person with so much anger for a small will not be missed let us know and we will have a party for you yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 2:57 PM

I am just the grandma my daughter is the one that writes about her son. Yes she has had hard times with this boy he needs good medical help but our system does not see this they always let him go back on the streets even though he has done wrong I blame the system for this. He gets medical help and they say there is nothing they can do all they do is give him more pills to take.The more pills he takes the worse he gets that is some of our pill pushing doctors for you. I am sad for what he did but yes I agree he has to pay for the crime he has done.I am one of those grandmas that believe in punishment.

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 7:34 AM

ang_65 i donot want a pity party from anyone i just simply want people to understand that i have tried my very best with this child and still got no where i am sorry if i upset you i just have alot on my mind right now and sometimes i get carried away with my thoughts before i stop to think this isnt your problem nor is it your fault as for the concert on sunday nights i had no idea about them .I might just check this out this sunday any one know what time this concert is again i am sorry if i have offended anyone im really not a bad person..........

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 6:40 PM

to unoit thank you for the information i will look in to this and i will also look for the book again thanks

-- Posted by jackiesue53 on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 5:24 PM

SUCH!!! Brazilbilly, no and I just know when my brother got into trouble you were the first to comment and about our family. Everything you said then was not true so yes judgmental I think you are.It seems you are the first to judge people and not just them you bring there whole family in it, just because one person made a mistake does not mean there parents didnt try and for know where you child is 24/7 what was she supposed to do get a babysitter? Im sure she works and con not be there to watch her son all day and night, That is to everyone So madmomma as for brazilbilly whatever call me what you want. What whould you think if you read this if your child had done something and was calling them a "thug" and saying you should be locked up for there mistake? I dont think these kids shouldnt pay for what they did they should. But it is not the parents fault its not like she said ok hunny go out and burn a house down but make sure noones in it.

-- Posted by lilmomma on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM


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