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Autopsy results revealed

Monday, June 2, 2008

The Brazil City Police Department released more details surrounding a fatal motorcycle accident in front of the Brazil National Guard Armory Friday afternoon.

Shortly before 3:30 p.m., Friday, Patrick Knierim was killed when his motorcycle was struck by a car driven by Naval recruiter Jeffery R. Rosado, 26, Terre Haute, near the intersection of Whiterock Road and State Road 59.

Although Indiana State Police officials have yet to release the details of the computer analysis of the accident reconstruction, Captain Dave Archer was able to release some of the preliminary results of the investigation to The Brazil Times Monday afternoon.

Using preliminary results collected from witness statements at the scene and accident details, officials estimate that both vehicles were traveling northbound at approximately 60 mph when the motorcycle apparently braked suddenly for undetermined reasons.

Archer said it is unknown how far apart the vehicles were at the time of the collision, but the speed both vehicles were traveling would greatly limit the reaction and response time for the drivers.

Archer said further details about the investigation will not be available until the pending confirmation of the official ISP accident analysis report.

Clay Coroner Rick Swearingen released autopsy results Monday afternoon.

He said Pathologist Dr. Roland Kohr performed the autopsy on Knierim Sunday morning.

Preliminary results determined that Knierim died from blunt force trauma to the head and neck area, which were consistent with injuries sustained during the accident.


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What should it matter how fast they were going Pat still lost his life because he was hit from behind. I know the speed limit changes from 55 to 35 in that area, but come on, Pat will not be coming back to tell his side of what happened. People need to realize warm weather brings out motorcylce's and people of all ages on bicycle's also! Be careful!! Summer is HERE!

-- Posted by Becki on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 7:53 AM

Pat's family was told by the Brazil Police Department that the autopsy results would be released to THEM before being put in the paper. This is NOT how it happened. Had it been handled correctly, Pat's wife would not have had to find out from people calling her when they read it on this website. Just another blow she has had to suffer.

-- Posted by Very Annoyed on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 8:30 AM

So because of who the person was that hit Pat they are blowing this off as his fault. He stopped suddenly for some unknown reason. Could it maybe be the fact that the person behind him was too close or maybe on the phone? Reaction time would not be as quick if either of those two things were a factor. My point is summer is here and motorcycles and kids on bicycles are every where watch out.

-- Posted by beautiful978 on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 8:44 AM

approximately 60 mph when the motorcycle apparently braked suddenly for undetermined reasons. What a cop out! Who cares why the motorcycle braked suddenly.... Where was the defensive driving on the other drivers part. Oh I know: NO WHERE ,and for that someone lost their life.Yes , I know the driver has to live with it the rest of their life.... But They LIVE! I hope I didn't offend anyone but MOTORCYLES are here to stay!

-- Posted by Sand mann on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 10:07 AM

What a tragic end to a wonderful human being and respected businessman. Although no one deserves to die tragically, at least his ending was swift and painless. There are many paralized and crippled individuals in this world whoes quality of life is now miserable due to that split second of missed reaction time that could have saved maybe a part of their livlyhood. Let us not morn his passing, but celebrate his existance by remembering him as the jokester and loving family man that he was. And always remember that dying is the ultimate part of living that gives us peace and eternal rest from the woes of life.

Decolores!

-- Posted by Keeping An Open Mind on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 12:28 PM

Hmmm. Did the ISP issue a ticket yet? According to the law you are supposed to have control of your vehicle. If you don't, you get a ticket. Why in the world did they even mention "Naval Recruiter". If I hit someone in the rear would they say "Appliance Repairman John Doe" or "Forklift Operator Jane Doe". No. As if Naval Recruiter will mean anything to Pat's family now that he's gone. All braking is "sudden". Duh! The degree of braking varies but its all very sudden. Sounds like a lame excuse to me. He was following too close and/or talking on the cell phone. Pat slowed (oh, sorry, "Braked Suddenly") and he hit and killed Pat. Its in the past now but Mr. Rosado needs to receive proper punishment. Not for revenge purposes but for *ME* and all of us riding or driving. When you hit someone in the rear during daylight hours with good visibility at high speed its your fault unless it was equipment failure. I need some nails to chew on.

-- Posted by TheRider on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 12:59 PM

Speed is Not relevant in this accident, following distance IS!

Ask any officer of the law, if you hit someone from behind it doesn't matter if that person slammed on the breaks or just slowed down, you hit them - that meams you did not have control of your vehicle, therefore it is Your fault! End of story...

-- Posted by BowlingGreenGuy on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 1:48 PM

As always, it seems the point is missed.

Read the story:

SPEED was a factor...story says both drivers would have only had seconds to react in the situation, BOTH!

Braked for unknown reasons ... cops are trying to determine what happened, it doesn't point blame ... just legal speak for "we don't know what happened yet."

Preliminary ... the official results of investigation not done yet! Anyone see a pattern here?

Apparently, undetermined ... this means investigation still going on and officials are doing their BEST to release information in a way that doesn't stir up rumors of conspiracy theories! READ THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THE FIRST STORY! (shameful)

Naval Recruiter ... Did anyone stop and think that the military has rules and regulations the police have to abide by when one of their personnel is involved in an accident like this?

Not only will this person pay for this the rest of his life, he will have to pay for criminal charges at the public level and then AGAIN at the military level. Maybe even with his career!

Cell phone ... I don't know where that fact is listed in the story. Can one of you point that out to me?

This story doesn't blame Pat, who, according to his own obituary, was a good person that just happened to be killed doing what he loved. How on God's green earth did that train of thought get started? That isn't really fair of anyone to think like that and post those comments here, where the family could potentially see them.

I'm sorry if this angers anyone, especially this wonderful family who is suffering from a tragic loss in thier lives, but it irks me when people just rant about things without thinking first about the consequences of thier actions.

-- Posted by Cy on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Where were the cops when this accident happened? We all know that any vehicles speed on that part of the highway. I guess the doughnuts were ready at Double N and all the cops were there instead of doing their jobs. Come on Mayor - hold these cops to a higher standart than they hold themselves. Pulling drunks over after leaving a bar is a no-brainer. Cops, do your job and keep this kind of senseless death from happening again and again and again. Bikers have rights too.

-- Posted by cyclerider on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 5:29 PM

Do you seriously think that everytime an accident happens that the police can miracuously be sitting in that exact spot and prevent it. They are called accidents for a reason. I give my deepest sympathy to the family, but how is this the police's fault??

-- Posted by dmh15 on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 6:47 PM

the speedlimit sign at that area states 40 mph .if he was going 60 mph that is 20 mph over the limit.no charges ? i can get a ticket for not wearing my seat belt.i am not hurting anybody but myself. KILL A BIKER GO TO JAIL .looks like the goverment takes care of their own.do you think if the roles were reversed pat would be in big trouble?

-- Posted by nobob on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 11:25 PM

if pat was going that fast it was because the guy who hit him was pushing him that fast. some body better wake up.

-- Posted by george1 on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 6:19 AM

An older gentleman and his wife were hit from behind by a police officer on south 59 a few years ago. The State Police removed the rear bumper and light assembly from the damaged vehicle and took it to a private lab to make sure the turn signals were in working condition. Any time a state or federal official is involved in an accident they will sieze control. They also have plenty of legal support from lawyers and judges who are paid by taxpayer dollars from people like Pat. This will be a long process.

-- Posted by ucantbserious on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 8:16 AM

If I recall correctly, the speed limit in front of the armory is 50 mph not 40. At least it's 50 when leaving Brazil and heading south on 59.

-- Posted by Bigpappy on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM

HEY Cyclerider

How could you disrespect the great police department that put their lives on the line everyday for you and your family? They have to deal with all the meth heads, drunks, and cry babies day in and day out. Which of those catagories do you fit in? Probably all! I give a HATS off to the fine men of the Brazil Police Department!

-- Posted by WhyInBrazil on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 10:20 AM

bigpappy .................................... they were not going south ,but north you go down there ,head north & you will see a 40 mph sign before you get to the armory.

-- Posted by nobob on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 9:31 PM

People need to understand that when gas prices go so high, there will be more motorcycles out on the road. Just go for a drive. There are more people on bikes these days.

WATCH OUT FOR BIKERS!! DRIVE THE SPEEDLIMITS TO SAVE GAS. BE AWARE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN OF THE BIKES. SHARE THE ROAD SAFELY.

-- Posted by Pearl2083 on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 10:37 AM

Has anybody talked to the Clay County Hwy.Dept.worker who witnessed the accident? Evidently not! According to this person, Pat was stopped in the North bound lane waiting to turn West onto White Rock Road. Someone needs to talk to this person. When he asked at the scene if his statement was needed, he was told no.

-- Posted by tyedyefreak on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 10:38 AM

nobob.....I knew Pat and the driver of the car were heading north. I, too, was traveling north on 59 at that time. My comment was that I knew the speed limit was 50 when leaving Brazil and heading south. I didn't state that I knew the speed limit heading north by the armory, nor did I say the people involved in the accident were traveling south. Please reread the second sentence of my comment regarding the speed limit in front of the armory. I know there is a sign posting the 50 speed limit near the American Legion when a person is heading south on 59. Again, I do not know the speed limit in front of the armory when heading north. I know where it changes from 55 to 50 when heading north on 59 and also where it changes to 30.

-- Posted by Bigpappy on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 4:02 PM

nobob....I just drove north and south on 59 on my way to and from Brazil, and I stand corrected! I saw the speed limit signs both directions posting 40 mph, one near the American Legion with the other across from the White Rock Road. I don't know why I thought it was 50 through there. Any way you look at it, there was a tragic loss of life that should have never have happened!

-- Posted by Bigpappy on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 6:21 PM

cyclerider- The "cops" were on the scene very quickly after this crash was reported; if you had any intelligence you would have known that. This accident was dispatched as a personal injury accident and the police were on the scene for over 20 minutes before an ambulance arrived.

It may be a known fact that vehicles speed on State Road 59 in the area of White Rock Road, it is also a known fact that vehicles speed on State Road 59 north, Hendrix Street, Pinckley Street, National Avenue, and every other road. The Brazil City Police issue speeding citations every day, and are frequently on traffic patrol when not investigating crimes, but there is no way they can be everywhere at once.

People like you want to blame the police for everything that happens, damned if they do and damned if they don't. Shame on the police for not being on south 59 when the crash occurred, and oh yes, shame on them for arresting drunk drivers. Drunk driving is the cause of more deaths on the highways than any other single cause. Oh yeah, shame on the police for ever taking a meal break, why would anybody working a 12 hour shift ever stop for a meal. So, in your perfect world, every speeder is always stopped, drunk drivers are not arrested, and police never have to eat.

-- Posted by Unsolicited opinion on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 1:19 AM

Yes, PLEASE, Brazil Police, take an eyewitness report from the County Highway Department worker. He saw the accident happen and the officer at the scene told him to LEAVE. Yet ANOTHER thing that Pat's widow had to find out at the visitation. She and her kids simply want to know the truth and are not going to just let this lie.

All of you reading this forum, how would you feel if one of your family members was killed in a traffic accident, and the police told one of the TWO eyewitnesses to "move along?"

-- Posted by Very Annoyed on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM

brono921

I think you need to know the situation before you jump to conclusions. Pat was wearing a helmet. If a person on a motorcycle is hit from behind at the speed stated, helmet or not, there are going to be head injuries.

I think everyone needs to let the investigators do their jobs, wait for the official report, and focus on giving the family the support that they deserve.

-- Posted by frustrated on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 9:04 PM

Pat Knierim WAS wearing a helmet when he was killed. The first officer at the scene came to the emergency room where Pat's family members and a couple of friends (including me) were, and TOLD US Pat was wearing a helmet. How is it that such idiotic rumors ("he wasn't wearing a helmet" and "he drove into traffic") start? Are people simply so morbid and so intensely bored with their own lives that they look for some fascinating (though false) tidbit of a family's despair to chew on?

"(so far no one has managed to put that together, much to my surprise)" is a quote by "brono" below, who has apparently heard all sorts of interesting rumors, none of them true. It must be a fulfilling life, to sit and speculate and throw out opinions that are based on absolutely nothing, but which serve up a fresh wound on a grieving family, especially when you start blaming the victim.

Thank you, "frustrated," for trying to set Brono on the right path. Perhaps he/she should focus on things he/she lacks, such as sensitivity and the search for facts.

-- Posted by Seek Truth on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 3:41 PM

brono- It was a police officer on the scene who removed his helmet to try to render aid- I think the people who were on the scene working the crash would have a better idea about what went on than you do.

-- Posted by Unsolicited opinion on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 2:17 AM

Brono is here for his own amusement. He enjoys attempting to stir up the emotions of those close to the accident victim. It will do no good to argue with him when his main goal is to ponder things he knows nothing about. There's that sensitive side again.

Perhaps if he had seen the helmet that was taken from Pat's head, and the quarter-inch deep scrape on the back of it, he would know that Pat had been wearing his favorite purple helmet.

Or perhaps it would lead to more conspiracy theories.

It doesn't matter. Those who knew Pat well know that he valued his life, especially his life with his wonderful wife of 40 years, and would never risk it by riding without protection.

Be happy, Pat. Godspeed.

-- Posted by Seek Truth on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 2:39 AM

Of all the posts I've read regarding this matter .. CY has the most objective comment.

It's nice to know an observation can be objective, too.

Would be nice if just the facts were presented and no emotion put into (or taken out of) comments posted as 'opinions' (we all know what opinions are like).

My deepest and most sincere sympathies to the grieving family & friends of this motorcyclist. Death is death. Doesn't really matter HOW, does it? It's final, no matter how it happens.

-- Posted by Emmes on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 11:17 AM


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