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Area citizens say no to remonstrance

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

The signatures are in, the names have been verified and the results are obvious.

The citizens of Clay and Parke Counties have decided the Clay Community School Corporation building project must go on. The official numbers were released to the public on Oct. 17.

In Clay County, there were 2,853 total petition signatures. Of those only 2,480 qualified and there were 603 total remonstrator signatures, of those only 521 qualified.

In Parke County, there were 19 total remonstrator signatures and only 16 qualified, there were no petition votes from Parke County.

Only real property owners and/or registered voters were calculated in the process.

"I am pleased with the apparent outcome of the process. When the board voted 7-0 to proceed with this project, we felt certain the majority of the public supported it," Clay Community School Board President Brian Atkinson told The Brazil Times. "It is very encouraging to see the proposed building project excepted by such a wide margin."

Clay Community School Supt. Dan Schroeder also expressed the same sentiments.

"We are very happy with the results," he said. "It shows that the community stands behind the decision made by the board. This will benefit the students, which is the purpose of building project."

He also to expressed his gratitude.

"I would like to thank everyone for supporting the project, those that have carried and signed petitions as well as helped out in anyway," Schroeder said.

At the Oct. 9 school board meeting, members of the building construction team, including Skillman Corporation, construction management firm, Kyle Miller from Schmidt and Associates, the architect, and Jeff Qualkinbush from Barnes and Thornburg. the bonds council, were in attendance to present information and timelines on the building project and what would happen if the remonstrance failed.

The tentative plans state that by starting in June 2009 the project would be completely finished by the fall of 2010.

Qualkinbush explained the bonds process to those in attendance.

"In a normal market, the General Obligation Bonds will have a term of about two years, the interest bonds will be about 3 percent the Lease Bonds will then have an interest rate of 4 percent and will have a term of about seven to eight years," he said.

The Lease Bonds will be sold in May, those will then cover the rest of the work done to the elementary schools.

The General Obligation bonds will be used to upgrade the security at Clay City Junior/Senior High School, North Clay Middle School and Northview High School.

The building construction team will appear at the Nov. 13 school board meeting, to answer any questions board members might have before they decide whether to give permission to proceed with the building project.

The school board meeting will take place at North Clay Middle School at 7:30 p.m. in the media center.

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Let's move on to progress for our schools now!!

-- Posted by karebabe on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 6:46 PM

The people have spoken!

-- Posted by sassypants on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 7:00 AM

It seems to me that the one's poled will be the recipiants of the project,and the one's paying for it were not poled. I for one,will be paying and did not have voice, Hmmmmm.

-- Posted by hopper1 on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 7:58 AM

I agree with hopper1. I live in Clay County and have children that attend school and did not get asked or notified about any petition.

-- Posted by harleyrider on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 10:20 AM

hopper1 ~

You absolutely were given an opportunity to voice your opinion ~ the Times published several articles about the school project & adversity to the school project ~ signs & petitions for both sides were public knowledge ~ all you had to do was sign one petition or the other ~ folks were out & about town talking for both sides of this issue ~ don't cry now when the opportunity was yours for the taking ~ sometimes initiative is all that is needed ~

-- Posted by karebabe on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 10:25 AM

I carried a petition and I never knew if a person was for the project or against. If a person wanted to sign they did and if they didn't want to sign, they didn't. You see how simple that is?

No hopperi you won't be paying higher taxes and if you had been present at any of the many, many, school board meetings, you would have know how and why that works.

Our children deserve to have clean, safe and healthy schools. The ones being cited for the project are 50 years old or older and need this renovation badly.

The people have spoken so let's go forward and not fight as in the past.

-- Posted by Tracy Jones on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 11:06 AM

harley and hopper remind me of how my kids are sometimes. When things don't go their way they just cry about it. HMMMMMMM...

-- Posted by BrazilBillie on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 11:24 AM

Does this mean that Leo's keyboard has been taken away? One can only hope so.....

-- Posted by smooth on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 12:07 PM


you didnt have a voice? you had the same chance as everyone else to sign the sheet

-- Posted by sassypants on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 12:32 PM

Well I missed all this signing stuff and I dont get the paper every day.

So how exactly will these schools be paid for?

Can someone answer?

-- Posted by Pearl2083 on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 3:54 PM

LOL............No, I still have my keyboard.

I have been writing about this in Letters to the Editor of the Brazil Times since the $53 Million dollar project was announced in Aug. of 07.

I sat up at Wal-Mart collecting signatures almost every weekend, at Old Settlers at Bowling Green, and at Saline City when they did their fund rasier for the Volunteer Fire Dept. I ran ads in the Brazil Times to get the word out. While there were several people collecting signatures on the remonstrance, it is hard to outweigh an organization like the school corporation when they wish to force an issue even when they are wrong. Contrary to popular belief, it still isn't over; it has just moved to the next level. I will keep fighting until I believe that the job is going to be done right. Maximum Educational Value without waste.

Leo L. Southworth

-- Posted by FlyinLion on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 6:44 PM

Brazil is a city in Clay County, Indiana, United States. The population was 8,188 at the 2000 and In Clay County, there were 2,853 total petition signatures. Of those only 2,480 qualified man sounds like not all were asked to sign a petition hmmmmmmmmmmm

-- Posted by hopper1 on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM

hopper1 ~

And, yet, still you are always posting comments on the Times various articles ~ explain how you did not know about this? Maybe you should read all the articles posted ~

And, Leo, I have read everything that you have written & listened to you at board meetings ~ never once have you ever convinced me to do anything but support this school project ~ do the signatures not tell you anything ~ do you really intend to waste more time & money ~ just what next level are you aiming for ~ I hope you are using your own money to fight this project ~ personally, I would think you would understand what the informed citizens of Clay County want ~ you remind me of former Terre Haute Mayor Kevin Burke ~ the whining & fighting never ends ~

-- Posted by karebabe on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 8:14 PM


If you are on these blogs and posting then how could you not have known about this? Didnt you read the article or go to meetings or see signs? There was nothing shady about this. EVERYONE had the chance to sign. Many people didn't sign either of them and that was their choice. It wasn't like you went to a polling place and voted on this one.

The people have spoken. We need to move on and get this project started.

-- Posted by sassypants on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM

As a county taxpayer with no children in the school system, I am glad to see the school corporation finally able to move forward with this project. I was given the opportunity to read about this project through this newspaper; listen to the school board during all the discussions at their meetings; and even listen to those standing in Wal-Mart and various other places all over town with petitions to gather all the information I needed to make an informed decision.

It's time for all citizens to come together for the children; they are our future. It's time they have safe, updated facilities that encourage their education. Thank you to all who participated and made this happen!

-- Posted by County Taxpayer on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 6:48 PM

1. Yes, I am using my own money as were all of those supporting the remonstrance. We did not have the Superintendant of the school corporation soliciting funds for an ad campaign in support of us. I have the e-mail to the school board members which will be turned over to the County Prosecutor.

2. We had no meetings in which people were asked to sign, such as school bus dirver meetings. We advertised in the paper and were as vocal as we could be with the resources that we had. We invested our time. I put "Sign the petition", "spend wisely", "21st Century Education not 20th", and "Move education forward" in blue Liquid Chalk on my pick-up to spread the word. (By the way, learn from my mistake and if you use this on the paint, scrub it off very gently.....don't use even the green 3M plastic pads....it WILL scuff the clear coat)

3. Karebare, yes I know what the "informed" citizens of the county want....they signed the remonstrance. Obviously, while you may have listened to what I have been saying for the last year, you have not comprehended. What we end up doing to our buildings is going to affect education and the school corporation for a long time. We have an opportunity to have a positive impact on education and costs or we can go ahead with this plan that locks us into the 1950's and throws away 14 million dollars on two elementary schools that should be replaced for about 16 Million dollars. The school corporation should move the Central Office into Eastside, removing the requirement to build a building (yes, that will have to be done soon) which was projected to be a 2.8 million dollar project. I could go on and on.

4. To all who think that are informed, do you know that you have 7th graders in North Clay that read at about the fourth grade level and don't know their multiplication tables? Do you know that we have Northview graduates with diplomas in the county who are barely literate? Do you know that we cannot afford to hire teachers? Do you know that our school administrators don't even know how many teachers they need in each school until around the third week of school every year? Do you know that they think that is normal? Do you know that we have cut teaching positions by about 30 during the last 6 years, to the point where we started this year with two classes of 29 students in Kindergarten at Clay City with the teacher and no assistance for around three weeks. Did you know that our only solution was to move a teacher from one of the other grades to get these students a good start in their education, but only by "robbing Peter to pay Paul"? Do you know that we use the money collected by tax levy to care for our buildings to replace what our operating funds just doesen't cover yet no one seems to curtail operating costs that have little educational value. Do you know that, had the Capital Project funds been used to maintain our buildings properly, we probably wouldn't need half of this project? Do you realize that our school corporation can be ran better if people actually demand it instead of sitting back and leaving it to the "experts" who are not concerned about the education of your children or its cost and board members who do not bother to ask questions and demand answers? Do you realize that a properly researched project would not meet resistance as it would be justifiable with facts, not opinions?

5. Yes, I may remind you of someone. You may see my "cause" as lost, but I do not. As education of the next generations is important to me, I will keep fighting as long as I draw breath. Someone said something about Kevin Burke, well, I don't keep up with Vigo County politics, I have enought to worry about in Clay County. I'll give you a quote from American History, "I have not yet begun to fight!", John Paul Jones.

-- Posted by FlyinLion on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 11:35 PM

-- Posted by Icareaboutbrazil on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, at 12:49 PM

With or without this building project, our level of education has been reduced to to cuts in funding and cost increases. Already the class sizes in the elementary schools have gone up and available class sections at the high schools have gone down. Used to be grades 1, 2, and I think 3 were funded by some program to keep class size down and that funding is no longer available. Used to be we didn't pay 93% of the budget in staffing costs so we could afford to have classes with less students so all could get what they wanted or needed but now we have to have 15 in a class so many times a student just cannot take the class.

I was not against the updating of the buildings but with the decrease in enrollment I felt that we might eliminate one of the schools so why put money into that school? Instead use the money towards other schools and use the money to pay for administration at that school for a few more teachers in elementary and high school so we can back on track with academics.

This past weekend on PBS they compared 3 high schools. One was Carmel, one of the best in the nation and a LOT higher ranked than Northview. One was in Bangelore Indiana and the other in Shanghai China. Carmel was a LOT lower in the ranking than the other two. what does that tell you about our kids getting the tools to compete with in global economy. We are not producing enough engineers and scientists due to funding cutbacks since the end of the cold war [yes in 1960's]. We have fallen WAY behind people. I watched and saw what kind of buildings and sports programs these other countries had. They are turning out a lot better educated kids in buildings a lot older and less modern but they are paying the teachers and expecting the kids to study hard in order to be competitive. We don't have the funding nor do we have the drive to compete. Heck many times we don't even realize the playing field has changed to include Bangelore and Shanghai. Wake up People!!!

I wanted the buildings to improve but thought we needed to rethink what we were doing in general. We've got a maintenance building that the insurance company won't even insure as they have condemned it but that one wasn't even in the improvement plan! We aren't spending money where it needs to be spent and spending it on buildings we shouldn't be continuing to support.

I think it's a done deal too [sorry Leo but I've been following school board goings on for 13 years now here]but still doesn't make it right. The current school board has done a better job than those in past but doesn't mean I have to agree with all they do. Like with our federal budget, cuts need to made based on needs not wants. Both with buildings and staffing. Both come from different pots but cutting one CAN influence the cost of the other even if it isn't via direct spending trade offs.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, at 3:07 PM

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