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Board trips up skaters

Wednesday, June 3, 2009

Todd Brackman
The future location of the proposed Clay Community Skatepark remains at a standstill.

Members of the community packed Brazil City Hall to express their interest to the Brazil City Parks Board about the location. Those in attendance who spoke were in favor of a skatepark in Brazil, but many had different opinions as to the location, which included Forest Park, various city properties and the proposed location in Craig Park.

After listening to members of the community, the board began to address the issue with the best interest of the parks in mind.

"None of us are out to say we don't want a skatepark," Vice-President Todd Brackman said. "We are responsible for the maintenance and well being of the parks."

Discussion ensued after Treasurer Linda Messmer read from the minutes of the April 13, 2005 meeting, which states a motion was made by then board member Brad Deal, seconded by Secretary Carolyn McCullough and was passed, to grant permission for the use of the land next to the south side of the Craig Park building to build a skatepark with the following stipulations:

* Nothing can be started until all funds for the facility are raised,

* Although the board is not liable before, during or after construction, the board will be kept informed of the progress,

* The skateboard organization will be responsible for maintenance and supervision, and

* Before opening, a safety check will be held that is satisfactory to the board and to the city.

If the current Clay Community Skatepark Committee (CCSC) were to go ahead with the installation of the equipment at Craig Park, then the guidelines must be met that were made during the first motion in 2005 or the process would have to start from the beginning.

"We don't want the responsibility of the maintenance," McCullough said. "We don't have the money to do it. There is a way of solving this so that everyone is happy."

It was suggested CCSC, in a process similar to the Clay Youth League and Christmas in the Park, create a lease agreement for the park areas and regulate the skatepark on its own.

The issue was tabled and CCSC was encouraged to discuss their options and report back to the board at the next regular meeting, which is scheduled for 7 p.m., Wednesday, July 8, in the Council Chambers at City Hall.

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mabey they can set aside a small place in the park so the kids can twiddle their thumbs.

-- Posted by nobob on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 10:31 PM

Nothing like having parks that have no use. I remember a few years ago when the Brazil Winged Model club wanted to continue using Craig Park for flying model airplanes. Someone decided that they might be too noisy so they were sent packing by the then park board. I believe the rumors then were they wanted to put in baseball diamonds. Hmm, dont see those yet either.

Welcome to Brazil the town where kids get to hang out on street corners and stay out of the Parks.

-- Posted by opininated on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 10:43 PM

maybe if there was something for kids to do here in Brazil they would be less likely to get involved in drugs.

-- Posted by shanbilly on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 11:35 PM

Do any one goes to the meetings and know what going on or just make comments? I do and everyone is in support of the skatepark. The location is the key and the Park Board is doing their job. The way I saw it the skate park committee need to work better with everyone and be more fexible. I know this been a long road but get all the facts .

-- Posted by donalde on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 3:31 AM

Sounds like to Parks Board is attempting to partner with a community organization. That is a good thing. I hope they succeed. It is a good idea that needs to be implemented.

-- Posted by scwh1974 on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM

I'm sorry Scwh1974 but the park board is not trying to partner with a community organization. They don't want the skate facility in any of their parks and even stated so at the meeting. They are only willing to allow it there because they agreed to do so in 2005, and they will only allow it under contract and by their rules. In order to put a skate facility in Craig Park (which is the only place they will allow it) the Skateboard Committee will have to form non profit organization and be willing to support the skateboard facility itself. I understand the Park board's unwillingness to financially support or "maintain" a skate facility but I disagree with Ms. Messmer's negative attitude towards the skateboard facility. She states that they can't afford the park, however anytime she talks about the skate facility she talks down towards it and doesn't want the "negative" or bad influence that the facility will bring. Well i'm sorry but you have that negative influence in every park already. I think the skate facility would bring more business to this town and the parks. They could even put in concessions and make alot of money.

-- Posted by ugotitdude on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 9:40 AM

I have always felt that Craig Park was a much under-utilized park. If there is going to be a skatepark, then this is where it should be, and if I am not mistaken, that is where the "skate group" wants it anyway.

However, I understand the park boards concerns. Not because of the "reputation" of the potential patrons of such a facility, but rather just the potential of injury.

When I was a kid and spent many, many hours in Forest Park, there were alot of playground equipment that used to be there that is no longer. For instance, I'm sure many of you can remember the tall double slide. It was probably about 20 feet tall. Not only was the climb up the steep ladder probably dangerous for kids, but once at the platform way up in the air, there was only a small pipe bar that offered protection from potentially falling off. Over time, there was an accident or two (and probably more than I know about), and I'm sure that those accident eventually lead to the removal of the slides. There were also monkeybars, and other equipment that has dissapeared over the years that I'm sure that adults deemed too dangerous for kids, even though the kids thought they were great fun.

But this is what has happened in the past and what I think the park board is trying to be proactive looking forward. Sure, those who want this park will say they won't hold the park board responsible if injury occurs, but I would have my doubts to that as well. I know if someone comes on my property and injures themselves, they can sue me.

The thing that bothers me about the park board though is they at least they gave some sort of indication of support, that made the "skate group" go out and purchase equipment that I'm sure was not cheap before a formal agreement was even reached. The board should have never given even a hint of any kind of approval without them having all of their concerns addressed.

As you can tell, I'm on the fence on this one. I hope the skaters get their park, I'm just not sure I want it in a city-owned park. But if it does get approved, it needs to go in Craig Park, not Forest Park.

-- Posted by ClayCountyGuy on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 1:12 PM

ugotitdude You need to listen what people are saying not what you want to hear.Everyone is for the skatepark, but location and long lasting support like everyting else in the park. With out long lasting support it will not last long.One bad incident and skatepark gone forever.Have an open mind.

-- Posted by donalde on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 2:31 PM

Donalde, what do you mean when you say the Skatepark Committee is not flexible? The committee wants a skatepark in a location that is easily accessible to all skaters, is highly visible, and safe for all skaters. A skatepark in a city park fits all the criteria. Most skaters are youth under the age of 18.

Did you know that the city of Brazil is NOT liable for the injury of a skater at a skatepark if there is a sign explaining the rules of the skatepark? Indiana as well as other states in the United States has an Extreme Sports Law IC 34-13-3-3, AS AMENDED BY PUBLIC LAW 142-1999 which explains why the city is not liable for injuries providing the skatepark is marked with a set of rules governing the use of the extreme sport area.

-- Posted by Clay County Skatepark Advocate on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 10:05 PM

I think all skateboarders have been brainwash. There is right way you have to go by.The skatepark Committee is making me have second thoughts. Easy to say not liable are Skatepark committe? Will you be here 5 years from now? There got be a future that why we got a Park Board. By the way I heard the comments made by some of skatepark comittees sitting behind me Wed. night.

-- Posted by donalde on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 3:52 AM

donalde I thoroughly listen to what people say and I try to be fair. I stated that I understand the Park Board's uneasiness about the Skate park but what I don't agree with is the (what seems like to me) constant turn up your nose attitude towards the skate facility. I understand that there will be older or unruly outside interference and yes there will be some vandalism, but this happens in every single park in this town and nobody shuts them down or turns the people away from the parks. If anything having a skate facility in Craig park may help to deter some of the deviant activity that goes on there now. For the record I am not on the Skatepark Committee and I am not affiliated with them. I do think they are trying to provide a great thing for our kids. I am just a parent of 2 children who like to skate with their friends. I"m sorry if you heard comments that you didn't like but I'm sure the Skate committee is frustrated with possibly being turned down after working so hard to create something great for our kids. The city and the park board are protected by the Extreme Sports Law, just like all of the other skate parks who have not been sued over any incidents. They can't be sued. You say that everyone is for the skatepark, but why doesn't everyone step up and support it and say "yes you can have your park here". Not just "yes you can have your park here, but only because we said you could a long time ago, not because we really want your $200,000 facility in one of our parks".

-- Posted by ugotitdude on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 7:50 AM

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