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Ad causes stir during school board meeting

Friday, June 12, 2009

Dan Schroeder
An anonymous ad in another local newspaper caused quite a stir at the Clay Community School Board of Trustees meeting Thursday.

The ad questions the integrity of Clay Community School Corporation Supt. Dan Schroeder and members of the board in regards to the delayed announcement of the pay off of Northview High School and Clay City Jr./Sr. High School.

"I need to respond to this because my name and some unnamed board members credibility is being disparaged, and I don't think this is accurate," Schroeder said. "The ad borders on degradation of character."

He explained when the School Building Corporation was put together, they were responsible for the financing and constructing of both high schools, not the school board or superintendent.

"Now that isn't how it is done in most corporations, but that's how it is here," Schroeder said.

During the May 21 school board meeting, representatives of the Building Corporation presented the deed to both high schools. At that meeting, board member Forrest Buell asked representatives of the Building Corporation why the presentation wasn't made in January with the final payment. The Building Corporation took responsibility for the delay because they wanted to put together the presentation to the board and taxpayers.

"My question is why this (ad) appears when at the last meeting it was told that this is a function of the holding corporation and not the school board or the superintendent," Schroeder said.

The second issue mentioned in the ad was the "taxpayers being scammed by the CCSC," which Schroeder said was false.

"The Building Corporation determines how that money is spent," he said. "Last year the Building Corporation decided that the money ($164,058) should go to the capital projects fund. Not the school corporation, not the superintendent."

He explained that both high schools previously received funding from the Building Corporation, which has held the lease since construction began in 1986. CCHS received $122,694 and NHS received $41,364 of the $164,058.

Schroeder commented they were not told to place the announcement on the school board agenda until April, and then it was immediately placed on the May agenda to present the lease.

"The school board and the administration are responsible for making sure that the debt service lease rental payments are made," he said. "In March we had the release of mortgage from the bank trustee. In April the information was recorded in the Clay County Courthouse."

The Building Corporation has decided to spend the last remaining check, $110,630.02 on capital projects funds and is currently working with Building and Grounds Director Tom Reberger to determine where the greatest need is.

"The school board and administration are not making that decision," Schroeder said. "I want to highly commend the (Building Corporation) for all their valuable years of service to the communities in CCSC."

"The Building Corporation has done a lot of work and contributed a lot to (CCSC) and I'm sorry they were insulted," board member Terry Barr added. "I think this is unfortunate and I feel bad for everyone that has been mentioned in this."

The ad insinuates there is "something happening under the table."

If the Building Corporation decided to apply the $110,630.02 to debt service, Schroeder said based on the assessed value of $772,148,698, it would have lowered the debt service tax rate by only1.4 cents.

"This is not casting any stones on the Building Corporation," Schroeder said. "They have served the community wisely. They've done a good job."

"I think I can speak for the board when I say we feel very badly that this happened and we do appreciate all that has been done," Barr added.

Forrest Buell
Following the comments made by Schroeder and Barr, Buell revealed he was the one who placed the ad, which caused the stir among other corporation officials.

"I am the party that Dr. Schroeder is referring to," he said. "The problem the public has had is why it took the time from January until May to close the project out and what happens to the payments at the time. I don't retract from what I've said, I have reason to believe there are some problems there."

Board President Brian Atkinson and board member Tina Heffner added their apologies, after Buell's comments to the Building Corporation and Schroeder for the accusations made in the ad.

"As for the ad, I'm appalled that a board member would put that in there, and I can't understand how six board members can understand what was presented and one not," Atkinson said in open session.

The next meeting of the Clay Community School Board of Trustees will be Thursday, July 9, at 7:30 p.m., in the media center at North Clay Middle School.

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do i smell a rat?

-- Posted by nobob on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 9:49 PM

Dr. Schroeder, I think you are bad news for Clay County. Maybe there was some truth to the ad, unfortuately, I didn't see it. I also think you are wrong that most school corporations have to use building corporations to build schools. The state only allows you to borrow a finte amount of money for general obligations. How else are you to get the funding to build $20 million schools.

-- Posted by Partrosie on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 10:18 AM

All I hear is more money is needed for the schools now what i am not hearing is whats happening with the money now that the school is paid off ; does that mean our taxes go down or do they have another Grandiose Building project taking place at a exorbitant cost that exceeded what we paid the last time. I do think its cheaper with one room school houses because the kids learned more and you might find less drug problems along with thier suspected gang activity that they say we have here

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 10:26 AM

Brazil citizen:

Only one comment here on the one room school house comment. I believe a lot of nostalgia is remembered [or passed down] about them and many of the actual facts and difficulties are conveniently forgotten.

For example: Read _Farmer Boy_ by Laura Ingalls Wilder. Though fictional, she used examples of her husband's childhood to put together that novel. If you remember the chapter on housing the traveling school master, Almanzo's father taught him how to use a bull whip to keep the big bullies of the school under control. When visiting the real Wilder farm in upstate NY, the docent explained that that was one of the parts that was actually true...only the names were changed.

Many people complain about the age differences at the middles school already. Do you really think that one teacher over 8-12 grades is a viable solution? No more than the Clay City schools becoming a corporation in itself.

As more is expected from a teacher than the three R's they have become more specialized to teach both age and subject....unless all Clay county wants is an 8th grade education for its citizens..which sometimes I wonder about.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 11:00 AM

Please don't vote for Forrest Buell... It sounds like he is behind this. Him and his "committee." I say let them do their thing down in Clay City.. see if they can afford it and see what kind of quality of "education" they can get there. I think highly of the board members and superintendant, well most board members.

-- Posted by Criminology08 on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 5:50 PM

We should be celebrating the fact that we now own our schools, instead we have to deal with more of the same 'ol Northview vs Clay City critics.

-- Posted by reddevil on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 8:54 PM

Partrosie and Brazil Citizen,

Please re-read the news story. Your concerns/questions were answered. You just seemed to have missed them or choose not to accept them.

-- Posted by HappyTimes on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 9:51 PM

Wow Dr. Buell, you need help!

-- Posted by Mrs. Positive on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 10:35 PM

Sorry Dr B.... You sound like a nut case not a respected school board member.

Anonymous attack ads are not in anyones best interest. If you have proof of any wrong doing then it should be brought to the attention of the proper authorities.

-- Posted by BackHomeAgain on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 1:44 PM

Dr. Buell has the right to say what he wants. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says or does, but I think he can say what he wants.


Dr. Buell isn't a nutcase. Nobody on the school board is a nutcase. He may not be respected in the North, but he is well respected in the South.

-- Posted by cc225 on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 3:00 PM

I agree cc225. I should not have called Dr.B a nut case. It was not a statement that I should have made, it does not add anything to the discussion.

My other point though is still valid.

There is no way that he should have run an anonymous attack ad. That shows a serious lack of professionalism.

-- Posted by BackHomeAgain on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 5:46 PM

I agree. Even though I believe he is entitled to his opinion, he needed to have at least signed his name.

-- Posted by cc225 on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 7:34 PM

Happy times,

Here is the quote straight from the article!!!

"Now that isn't how it is done in most corporations, but that's how it is here," Schroeder said.

Maybe you should read the entire article before commenting.

-- Posted by Partrosie on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 8:18 PM

First of all, if you think there is wrong doing by school board, officials, etc. you shake the tree by going to state officials. For a doctor, board member, and elder in our community to put that in the article is disrespectful, prankish, and irresponsible. I think Mr. Buell should do us all a favor and resign, or someone please tell me how to impeach a board member for misconduct because we certainly have cause.

-- Posted by reddevil on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 9:31 PM

I grew up in the CCSC system and graduated from CCHS in 1995. I can say I had a fair and decent education provided to me by great teachers like Mr. Timberman, Mr. Mayrose, Mrs. Jackson, and others. As someone who pursued education, and taught middle school for five years in Texas, I have to say it dissappoints me to see that Clay County can't get beyond the North South Issue and namecalling.

Board members should be the highest held role models for our students, right next to teachers and administrators. They should show them how to work hard, be intelligent, and disagree with respect. Board members that can't serve with honor and respect of other members shouldn't be on the board. Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, how you handle things as an education leader matters.

Dr. Buell, thank you for your service for many years to our community. But from an outsider looking in, you are disruptive, disrespectful, and out of touch with the true needs of students. Your divisive tendancies take the focus of the educational community off of what really matters, students, and is nothing more than grandstanding to gain attention. The bottom line is you need to resign and retire.

-- Posted by Clay County Born Outsider on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 1:29 AM

I agree is there any way we can impeach him or have him removed!

-- Posted by Criminology08 on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 1:30 AM


-- Posted by ccc on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 7:50 AM

I've been told that when my responses are too long, they don't get read. So...

"no way that he should have run an anonymous attack ad"

What are all you people doing who do not put your true names down ?? Is that not the same thing?

In my opinion, Dr Buell is like several other former board members. He is well meaning but either doesn't have the skills any longer or never did have them [I do not know as I have not lived here all my life like some others]in order to function as a board member. That does not take away the fact that he has been a functional member of the community who has contributed a lot in his lifetime. Not every one is board member material. Not every one is a public speaker; not everyone is articulate. I think he knows what he wants to do but is not able to get it across. It is admirable that he hangs on like a bulldog to try to help students in the county but he just doesn't seem to know how to get the job done any better than other board members who have chosen a different path. At least though it gets more people talking about the situation. The polarization between north and south however is stupid and counterproductive.

Hopefully he will realize this if friends he respects tell him so honestly and stop using him as that sacrificial bull dog and stick their own necks out for both him and the student population of Clay County.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 12:36 PM


"There is no way that he should have run an anonymous attack ad. That shows a serious lack of professionalism.

-- Posted by BackHomeAgain on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 5:46 PM"

So BackHomeAgain is your "real" name? How does taht work out for you?

-- Posted by I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 2:26 PM

J. T. Newman is my name... I do not hide myself.

-- Posted by BackHomeAgain on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 2:57 PM

I still say that anonymous attack ads are totally wrong. Be it on the local or national scene they are just not the way to get a true message across.

J.T. Newman aka BackHomeAgain

-- Posted by BackHomeAgain on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 2:59 PM

you know with the way everyone sounds in here maybe we are better off letting the kids run the school system as they may seem more aware of the needs , they do act better than some of these grownups that are quarrelling in here

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 6:02 PM

Well seeing how I just graduated for CCHS, and did so happen to see the ad. I feel as a "Southlander" Dr. Buell has done many things for not only our community but Brazil's. However, i feel that this action was an insufficiency and lack of intellegience! There is no need in ruining something that has given both communities such a wonderful gift, education. It seems most people aren't even realizing that this is whats its all about. Who cares about where the tax money goes, or which building gets more of the "Building Fund." I think as long as both schools can maintain a stable state and a good learning atmosphere, then there is no need for such vulgarity from the Buell. The board is doing an excellent job, as well as Schroeder! Its to this current board I owe my education, even Buell. But stop the nonsense!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by SouthMan aka (Zach Boggs) on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 1:58 PM

Most ads do not require a name with the article. Unless it is a letter to the editor. Dr. Buell has done more for Clay County education than any of the other jokers combined. If he put the article in, he did so because he is prompted by the wants and needs of the people. Sounds to me like there's a rat, and they are covering up their own wrong doing by blaming Doc again. SHAMEFUL. He's honest at least. So, where IS the money from the retired bonds???? Covering something up is the moral of the story!

Give the man a chance....he is extremely intelligent, he knows things we don't and is looking out for our best interests. Is Schroeder?

-- Posted by __2--- on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 8:52 PM

I remember when all of the buildings were falling in and the school board put a contract on some land half way between Brazil and Clay City for a county wide middle and high school. Dr. Buell was elected to the board the next fall and stone-walled the new school until the school corp. lost the land. He caused so many delays for so long I was amazed that Northview was finally built. He has been nothing but a detriment to the students in Clay county. I couldn't believe he was recently re-elected to the board. Surely there is someone else from Clay City who could do a better job representing the southern part of the county.

-- Posted by virginiagrace on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 10:06 PM

Virginiagrace: I appreciate your view on this, I am new to the blogging experience, however I must tell you that I was directly involved with that land transfer going on 20 years ago, and there were many other variables involved. It had nothing to do with the input of Dr. Buell. Can you imagine how detrimental it would have been to this County to bus all of the students to one location. Northview can't handle the amount of students it has now.

It was a nice idea, and economically it seemed alright, but financially we were ahead of the game to build 3 new buildings. Had we went with that initial proposal we would have been in REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD TROUBLE. We would have had to have built more schools that we couldn't afford when this deal went wrong.

The point of the story is that the other Board Members take the lazy route and don't want to do anything to get their name in the paper. There is $160,000 + dollars not accounted for. This is tax money. Where in the world is it? We could have hired at least 4 new teachers with that money even if it was for just one year, think of the benefits.

As rotten as the economy is, we need to do a better job accounting. Something stinks, and I don't think it's a little bitty ad in the Clay City paper.....someone's padding their pockets with this building project....think about it ----WE HAVE NO DETAILS, and somewhere is missing tax dollars.

Education is important. We have administration making a mockery of the entire process and it is costing us every minute of every day.

Don't blame Buell.....ask for explanations. Who cares what he put in the paper. There has to be some truth to what he is saying.

-- Posted by __2--- on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 7:29 AM

Exactly. Couldn't say it amy better, xyz123.

-- Posted by cc225 on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 7:56 AM

Did all of you people sign the petitions when they were out there floating around?? If so, then why complain now. If not... you dont have the right to complain now that it is done!

-- Posted by sassypants on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 8:47 AM

Sassy pants: I absolutely DID sign the remonstrance.

-- Posted by __2--- on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 9:10 AM

So Can someone tell me who is on the building corporation thought it was all the same as the board.

-- Posted by confused33 on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 5:12 PM

"Dr. Buell, thank you for your service for many years to our community. But from an outsider looking in, you are disruptive, disrespectful, and out of touch with the true needs of students. Your divisive tendancies take the focus of the educational community off of what really matters, students, and is nothing more than grandstanding to gain attention. The bottom line is you need to resign and retire."

-- Posted by Clay County Born Outsider on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 1:29 AM

AMEN, CCBO!! It is one thing to want to keep the citizens/taxpayers of Clay County informed, but quite another to (1) not put your name on an obvious 'poo stirring' comment (if you were so PROUD of it, why not sign your name originally? Perhaps because most wouldn't give it a 2nd look?), (2) post this AFTER the question had already been answered (again, stir it up). If he's not a bit "off", then Heaven help the "normal" people of Brazil!

This kind of action shows he's no better than those he puts down and accuses. When one finger is pointing at someone, the other 4 are pointing at yourself, Dr. B.

I felt when I read it that he was a part of it .. (it's what he does) even before I read that it was him. Bravo, Dr. Buell. What a role model for children/grandchildren. (eye roll)

-- Posted by Emmes on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:39 AM

Once again, it's not poo-stirring if the media that you put the ad in doesn't put the persons name with the ad. Dr. Buell is obviously not afraid to make his views known. As far as I know, he has always been completely face-value about everything.

Do you not care about the money that is being mis-handled? The bottom line is that there is some trickery going on. The Building Corporation is a seperate entity of the School Board, made up of fine individuals who apparently thought they were handling things appropriately. HOWEVER....this school corporation has on its payroll someone who is responsible for the dollars and cents. This person never has their facts or figures straight and this is another example of where we have to be more vigilant with our spending.

$164,000 is a LOT of money when we have schools not covered with school nurses, adequate classroom sizes, etc.

Don't get caught up in something trivial. Dr. Buell owned up to everything. He is the only one doing any representing of anyone. And, it is not a North Vs. South issue, he represents the entire school corporation patrons, and does it with zesto.

As a side note....Schroeder knew who did it when he said it was "anonymous". Everything has been out on the table and Dr. Buell makes his letters "open" to the public. The Clay City News is the one who didn't put the name of the person placing the ad. Dr. Buell doesn't care to make the FACTS known.

ALSO...The Clay City News this week has the name of the person placing the ads.

If there's no "poo" to stir then he couldn't be accused of doing so. Sounds like lots o' poo to me!

-- Posted by __2--- on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 3:09 PM

xyz... good.

-- Posted by sassypants on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 1:15 PM

If money seems missing, ask for an accounting! How hard is that - ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ON THE BOARD?!!

-- Posted by brazilian on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 9:13 PM

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