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Entrances at schools now secure

Monday, August 10, 2009

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At Northview High School, full-length windows were added for easier observation to help reinforce a new security system. Clay Community School Corporation Building and Grounds Director Tom Reberger watches a test of the new security equipment installed at Northview. The security upgrades at Northview, North Clay Middle School and Clay City Jr./Sr. High School will allow for a safer environment for students during school hours. [Order this photo]
Students returning to the secondary schools on Thursday will notice a change to their respective school buildings.

"When school is in session, the controlled entrance will be the only access in to the building," Clay Community School Corporation Building and Grounds Director Tom Reberger said.

At the conclusion of the building renovation project, teachers and staff will be issued cards, which may be used to gain access to the buildings when the doors are locked. However, all visitors will be directed to the main entrance where they will be buzzed in by the secretary of the respected school.

"The main entrance will be the only unlocked door, every other door will be locked during school hours," he said.

Once an individual has entered the vestibule, they will be monitored by four video cameras. All visitors will be monitored visually by the secretary and by the cameras.

Only the secondary schools have the security upgrades, which Reberger said should be completed sometime next week. The elementary schools will receive the same upgrades during the renovation project.

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Northview High School Head Custodian Jeff Farris tests the new locks on the doors at Northview during the testing of the new security system Monday. Kimberly Gleason Photo.
"This system addresses the concerns that the community has had with the security," Reberger said. "As soon as the system is online, personnel will be trained."

The same security is in place at the loading dock area at Northview High School. The middle rear entrance doors leading into the gym and cafeteria are now ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) accessible.

"The security upgrades and the wheel chair accessibility are identical at both Clay City and Northview," he said. "It was done for the convenience of the students and any spectators who might attend an event."

Reberger called the upgrades a dramatic improvement to what was in place and said the total cost was approximately $200,000.

The increase in the cost came because every door opening where the security upgrades were going into received new doors and hardware to ensure they would last. The general contractor for the job was Hannig Construction, Terre Haute.


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"The main entrance will be the only unlocked door, every other door will be locked during school hours," he said.

Now, as the main entrance is, supposedly, the only place where a person can enter, what is the relationship between that entrance and handicapped parking. At North Clay, it is 75 to 100 yards away. At Northview, I do believe that there is a couple of spaces marked for the handicapped at about 75 yards.

We always seem to solve one problem by creating another one. Will someone, please, take a moment and look at the total picture before bringing forward a solution?

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Mon, Aug 10, 2009, at 8:54 PM

How is this supposed to be fixed? There are no parking spaces close to the door which is how it should be. I understand that people need to park close due to physical limitations. Don't see what the answer to this one is!

-- Posted by sassypants on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 7:51 AM

solve one problem by creating another one.

Problem? I thought it was to protect the children! with parking in front of school. I think cars would block the view of someone coming to the school. It's time to get rid of all the cards ( handicap, race,sex ,welfare, and just lazy cards)and start thinking of our kids well being. maybe it will take 5 more minutes to get into the school, I say leave home earlier.

-- Posted by Sand mann on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 8:21 AM

The "security enhancement" at our schools has always been a wasteful, "feel good" project that does nothing to protect the children. Can you tell if someone is carrying something if it is concealed or what they intend to do once they are in the building from a television screen or by what they tell you? Who is to be denied entrance, a person openly carrying a shotgun? If they are carrying a shotgun with intent to do harm, they can open any door or window in the building. What is the criteria to deny a person entrance and how does anyone know that the reason stated for entrance is the real intent of the person? If cameras and security protocols stop crime, bank robberies would never occur in this day and age.

"It's time to get rid of all the cards ( handicap, race, sex ,welfare, and just lazy cards)and start thinking of our kids well being." I heartily agree with this idea! Let's get rid of all of the cards. Let's stop manipulating the public with the "fear" card that something bad may happen because no matter what we do, we really cannot prevent it from happening. Let's stop playing the "stupid" card as a trump by doing things that wastes the taxpayer's dollars to no avail and does not contribute to the goal of the school corporation, educating the children!

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 9:44 AM

B*tch, p*ss and moan about everything .. why not see the good in this article .. ?? "It's too far to walk" .. "we don't get enough exercise" .. blah, blah, blah

Thank you for protecting MY son and his fellow students at NHS!

-- Posted by Emmes on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 9:56 AM

This is but a step... a small step. We have to gradually work into total security. This is not the only measure put in place. I for one want limited access to the schools.

Leo.. Weren't you on here last year complaining about the guy just walking into the school through a Sr lunch area? I think this process will stop that kind of behavior.

I don't think education can take place in unsafe enviroments

-- Posted by sassypants on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 9:58 AM

I think the education is being taught from T.V. sex, drugs ,violence everytime we turn on T.V.

will security cameras help ? I think yes.Is it the answer , no! but it is a part of the answer. Maybe metal dectors too. There is a long list of ideas but we do but money is tight. Look at most of the shootings at schools. These kids shooting at school are not the most popular kids in school. Kids are mean to eachother; physically, verbal, mental.Lets start education our kids at home on these matters.

If you really want in the school, you will get in. That is a no brainer! but lets do what ever we can to help make our kids safer.

I like the comment;Let's stop playing the "stupid" card as a trump by doing things that wastes the taxpayer's dollars to no avail and does not contribute to the goal of the school corporation, educating the children!

but there is no solution!

taxpayers money is wasted everyday, why not on our children!

My parents pay school taxes and haven't had kids in school for 30+ years. welfare don't pay for books, meals, and taxes. now that is right. just a thought, nothing more.

-- Posted by Sand mann on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 10:51 AM

This article is about keeping people out of the schools, what about what is going on in the schools?

Drugs, sex, etc.

What are they doing about these problems, and please do not say it is going on, I have kids in the high school and the middle school, I talk to my kids.

I also have a child in one of the elementary schools what about there recess time how are they going to stop someone from coming up to them during that, if there is only I teacher outside watching over 50 kids?

Maybe Clay County School Corp should think about these problems.

-- Posted by Batchelor3495 on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 11:23 AM

They have been thought about. People are complaining about the expenses of the schools but in order for safety to be foremost.. you have to spend money.

My thought is still, you have to have SAFETY in order to run a school!

-- Posted by sassypants on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM

we could have car washes! no better yet we could all go to 59 and 40 bet for money that way we don't have to work and get hand outs!

-- Posted by Sand mann on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 1:40 PM

i would be happy to do that right along with the Polcie and Fire Dept.

-- Posted by sassypants on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 2:12 PM

Typos... sorry!

-- Posted by sassypants on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 2:13 PM

before anyone can complain about my spelling I changed bet to beg.

we could have car washes! no better yet we could all go to 59 and 40 beg for money that way we don't have to work and get hand outs!

-- Posted by Sand mann on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 2:13 PM

yes, I think even the people we are post to look up to are setting a not so good example.

-- Posted by Sand mann on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 2:15 PM

I fail to see what could be more important than the safety and education of our youth??

-- Posted by sassypants on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 3:27 PM

post = supposed?

-- Posted by Anodos on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 4:21 PM

Sassypants slightly misquoted me or mis-remembered my complaint about the incident of the person who entered Northview last year. My problem with that is that it was possible for anyone to enter the school through the rear entrance, period and that the person had access to students prior to entering the building as they were outside. You do not stop an intruder at the building entrance, you stop them at the property perimeter, with a fence!

Sassypants, do you have any idea of what "total security" is. If you want to see what it looks like, visit the Federal Penitentiary in Terre Haute! While the inmates are contained and society is protected from them, I just cannot see that place as a school. It is, however, about as totally secure as it can be.

When education money is ill-spent on things that are not going to accomplish what it is being spent for, there is less money to spend on what the taxpayer is paying for, in this case, education.

Take a look at the photo. If you know anything about Northview, you will realize that it was taken just inside the main entrance. Once a person intending harm has reached the position that the camera is in, the only way to stop them from wreaking havoc is physically. Once inside, Northview is open to devastation no matter how many cameras record the incident. No matter what you do to the building or what technology you pay for, there is no way to stop it except by stopping the person once their intent becomes clear. Do I advocate arming teachers or hiring additional personnel to monitor the hallways? No, I do NOT because every person that enters the building, EVERY employee, EVERY student, EVERY authorized person, and EVERY unauthorized person is a potential security risk and the fact that they have not posed a problem in the past is no guarantee that they do not pose a threat today. I find it unbelievable that people are so dead set on providing a false sense of security that they cannot think. Do you think that Sept. 11, 2001 was the first day that those idiotic terrorists stepped foot on a plane and that they walked on water to enter the United States?

How about we try our best to keep our kids safe by keeping our eyes and ears open and looking for things that don't appear normal instead of attempting to stop something that just could not be stopped if it happened. School should be a place of learning and fun. When you install the technology of a prison, that is what you turn the school into. When you turn it into a bunker or fortress, you make attack appear imminent and that causes fear. When parents worry about "what might be", they instill fear in their children.

Accept the fact that living is to risk death out of the clear blue sky, enjoy your children while they are with you and stop trying to crawl into a hole with them and pull the earth around you to protect you and your children from living. As many people as I have heard crying to protect the children, I am amazed that our students are not provided with adult-sized baby walkers because they never learned balance on their own two feet because Mommy and Daddy were scared that they would bruise their bottoms if they tried to stand without support. I am absolutely scared to death that these are the children that these parents expect to step out on their own some day. It is no wonder that America has a welfare problem, children are taught to be safe and never to take a risk. If the government is going to give me everything, why would I risk taking a job that I might lose? Criminey!!!

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Tue, Aug 11, 2009, at 9:49 PM

Leo,

Your argument is based on a worst case scenario similar to Columbine. You are right when you say the security measures will not prevent such an attack. Fortunately, such an attack is not likely. They are more likely to have problems from unwanted visitors or even parents who are just angry or upset about something that happened at school. In that case it is better that they enter through a single entrance.

There are many people who can be denied entrance to a school building. There are people with "no trespassing" orders issued against them. Certainly someone openly carrying a gun would no be admitted. It should be common sense to not carry a weapon to a school, but not everyone uses common sense. We had a congressman a few years ago try to take a gun on a plane. Someone acting erratically should not be admitted. I am sure there are many other cases.

-- Posted by Anodos on Wed, Aug 12, 2009, at 7:36 AM

Leo,

I think you misinterpreted me as well. I have NEVER said total security. Unless, as you stated, you are in a Federal penn, it is not possible. I just want "as much as possible"

-- Posted by sassypants on Wed, Aug 12, 2009, at 7:44 AM

Anodos:

First of all not saying at all what YOU do personally; just general observations...Attacks like the one at Columbine, the world trade center and several others will continue to happen while we allow bullying to continue in the many forms that it is condoned by adults...including the form that happens right here on this forum at times. When people attack other people, verbally or via the written word and don't treat them as we would want ourselves treated, that is the seed that breeds violence out of desperation and hopelessness.

While we ourselves cannot control the large government machines that place power over people, we can speak up when we hear racial, homophobic, and antichristian comments being made in our homes, churches, workplaces, and schools.

When these things aren't corrected, by default they are being accepted. Many times because it puts those who comment at risk of being shunned from the clique.

Each time one of these remarks is left uncorrected, you can bet there is a person being hurt by them. This hurt and damage can lead to acts of desperation. No, these violent acts are no more right than the remarks made, but stopping the remarks can help stop the situation that makes the individual so desperate.

So the next time you hear some kids or even an adult family member make a remark about a gay, a Jew, a black person; the next time you see someone displaying a rebel flag [even if they are ignorant enough not to know it is a demeaning symbol to our black brothers]say something instead of minding your own business. For even if they spout off at you that they can do anything they like, eventually when enough people tell them it is wrong they might stop it even if just not to be hassled any more times.

THAT will help security in our world a lot more than any barriers or buzzers as then fewer people will act out in desperation from being put in a position of thinking they are helpless in a world that judges them instead of loving them and letting God do the judging.

And by the way, that congressman with the gun at the airport...notice that he is no longer a congressman. Voters finally noticed that he really didn't have that much common sense.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Wed, Aug 12, 2009, at 7:59 AM

Jenny Moore , I actually think you believe what you wrote and I applaud you for it.that is all i have to say about that.

I also believe parents play a Small part in the teaching of our kids. Example :during the school year.6:ooam wake up child for school,eat, shower, get dressed (2hours) how much of this time is spent for parent teaching less, if parent/s has 8-4 job.

8:00 school til 3;00pm

3:oopm -5pm day care

5-8pm eat homework we all no homework is at least 1 hour. then bedtime.

this isn't 100%

Who is really treaching our kids our values?

I also believe education is a for of security.

here in Brazil, I don't think terrorism it an issue

-- Posted by Sand mann on Wed, Aug 12, 2009, at 8:28 AM

Sassypants -- I may have misunderstood your meaning, but "We have to gradually work into total security" is a direct quote from your post of Aug. 29.

Secondly, people fail to realize that the fire code in Indiana prevents the locking of a public building so the doors cannot be opened from the inside. All it takes is for someone to hit the crash bar from the inside. So, what policies do we have in place to prevent this from occurring? One of my questions to the school board following the Northview intruder incident was why that door was not secured and what disciplinary action was taken? Of course, that question was never answered.

Then there is a question of a parent's right to protect their child. Does that supersede the needs for the school? I mention this out of concern that arose after the bomb threat at North Clay that had the students evacuated to Northview, or vice versa, I cannot remember. Parents went to the school and were denied access to their own children. It was stated in the paper that those parents were placing themselves in danger, yet everyone fails to comprehend that if that is so the students were being held within the danger zone. Our "lock-down" policy looks fine on paper, but what happens if the worst does occur? When told that they cannot have access to their children, will some concerned mother go home and come back with a gun? I think I know some who love their children and would be concerned enough to do just that.

Victory04 -- Acts of terror are always a concern whether it is internal such as Colombine or external such as the attack on the Amish school at Nickel Mines, PA in 2006 in which five students died before the intruder committed suicide. Such acts are not logical to a rational person, but they are to the attacker. Timothy McVeigh though that he could affect the Federal Government by bombing one building in Oklahoma City. He affected a lot of families but that did not affect the Federal Government a lot except to make it look at security measures, but not enough to work together well enough to prevent 9/11.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Aug 13, 2009, at 6:49 AM

Jenny,

In spite of the fact that you began your comment by instructing me to not take it personally, addressing your comments to me implies that I in need schooling on the subject. I can't help but take it personally.

You really do not respond to my comments since I admit that the security measures will not stop a Columbine style attack. Instead you take the opportunity to sermonize about bullying. Incidentally, bullying is not the only cause of such attacks, as the latest shooting at the LA fitness center proves.

My comment was meant to illustrate a flaw in Leo's reasoning. Specifically, he is using a form of a strawman argument by assuming the worst case scenario a framing the argument around that. Perhaps I should have been more explicit.

Actually, I really have no opinion about the new security measures. By the way the use of capital letters indicates shouting and is considered rude.

-- Posted by Anodos on Thu, Aug 13, 2009, at 7:32 AM

Leo L. Southworth ,

I do agree with terror is terror, no matter where you are. a bomb treat is a form or terror and all know northview has had their share of them last year. kids bullying kids, ok ok ok Security is a must never said it wasn't. Terror in Brazil , I still say not likely.

you talk about Timothy Mcveigh, had professional help completing his task.

Colombine , you might want to research it just alittle more. maybe even watch the before , during , after video. It's out there.

not really up on the attack on the Amish school at Nickel Mines, PA.

Things happen good and bad. learn from them don't hide from them.

-- Posted by Sand mann on Thu, Aug 13, 2009, at 8:44 AM

Victory04 -- LOL....... I have researched these events. Looking at from the point of view of the people who committed them, you cannot stop them. Colombine was an inside job, Oklahoma City was shock and awe, as was the attack on the Amish School.

I agree that events like these are "not likely" in Brazil, but then again, they were not likely to happen where they did happen. We could up our security to the level of a prison, yet still we could not prevent things from happening. After all, a sharpened pencil can be used as a weapon.

Fear was used to sell security equipment and measures to the public, but they will not stop bad things from happening.

Your statement "Things happen good and bad. learn from them don't hide from them" is so very true. One of the problems with school security is that many parents want to spend money to achieve a false sense of security at the cost of investing in the primary goal of the schools, that of educating students. With what we invested in cameras and doors, we could have build additional classrooms.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Aug 13, 2009, at 3:03 PM


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