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Stray dogs point of concern for Staunton Town Council

Wednesday, December 9, 2009

Chuck Jones
STAUNTON ---- A couple of possible stray dogs have the residents of Staunton concerned.

On Tuesday, Town Marshal Chuck Jones informed the town council he has had a few complaints from citizens regarding two dogs, one of which may be a pit bull, running around throughout the day.

"This has been going on for about one week," Jones said.

He said he has seen the dogs during the morning hours. Council member Ed Nevins added he has seen the two dogs during the afternoon hours.

Jones told the council he contacted the Clay County Humane Society and has attempted to retrieve the animals but has been unable to do so.

Jones said the dogs may be strays, but added one of the dogs has a collar, giving him reason to believe the dogs are being let out during the day by a possible owner.

Despite the complaints, Jones said no harm has been caused to citizens that he is aware of.

"They're not out all the time," Jones said. "But they're always together. One of them is a pit bull so people are leery. They're intimidating."

Jones, who has been the Town Marshal for Staunton since 2007, said he is still working with the Humane Society to catch the animals.

Meanwhile, Jones informed the council some vandalism has taken place in the town.

He said three separate acts of vandalism have occurred on the east end of town since the fall.

He told the council he suspected the incidents were engineered by teenagers in the area and parents could be cited for damage.

The council meets regularly on the second Monday of each month at town hall. Its next meeting is scheduled for 7 p.m., Jan. 11, 2010.

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People should be more than leery. Pits are killing machines waiting to snap. Just ask the family of the poor lady who was murdered by one in Illinois recently. She went on a walk with her dog and a loose pit took her life.

-- Posted by localgal on Wed, Dec 9, 2009, at 11:11 PM


-- Posted by FIRETRKNUT on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 12:07 AM

Doesn't really matter what breed they are. When they start running in packs they adopt a gang mentality and do things they wouldn't as a pet at home. Even pet dogs that are allowed to run together with others can be dangerous to humans and other animals. Since it is state law to keep all animals under control on one's own property, the owner is breaking the law as well as having total disregard for his neighbors' rights to live unimpeded by the dogs. I had two recently in my neighborhood who would come towards me and bark when I walked up the road...The owner insisted that they wouldn't bite when I spoke to him about it later. No one can ever guarantee that when they aren't there to control them. Besides they terrorize other animals and even if hit by a car could cause property damage.

Leaving a dog to run loose is almost as irresponsible as letting a two year old child play in the street as that is about as high as a dog's mentality will get. Dogs cannot be responsible but some owners are willing to shirk their responsibility for their dogs as well as letting the ignorant dog take the consequences of the owner's lack of responsibility by getting shot or poisoned in some cases. We humans are responsible for the welfare of these animals when we adopt or buy them. Maybe we should have a stiff licensing fee in order to pay for the havoc they can cause when owner's aren't responsible??

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 7:57 AM

Chuck needs a TASER. TASERS are made to stop dogs and unruly people. TASERS have the ability to stun long enough to get one of those long handled loops around their neck (the dogs, not neccessarily the unruly people)..

-- Posted by Dagnabbit on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 8:48 AM

I agree with you, Jenny, that people who purchase a dog and then let them roam are irresponsible owners.

It is also true that when dogs run in a pack they resort to territorial ways and become dangerous.

But it does matter what the breed is: true, any dog of a certain size can potentially harm someone, but Pits and Rots especially have the power not just to maul but to kill. Add to that problem these "red zone" dogs attract owners who want this quality and at the same time are apt to purchase one and put it in the back yard and never do much with it but feed it. Now the neighborhood has a non-socialized monster who sees anyone near it in it's territory.

This problem is in my life. There is two pits (one half, one full) in my families neighborhood that are left in a fenced backyard, never receiving any kind of training or socialization, and get out now and then. When they get out, you have to fear about it harming your kids, because you just never will know if something will happen.

This is the point of argument that makes me so mad in the Pitbull debate. Owners will say not all Pits kill, but all can and they know it. So, they are allowed to have this breed and the rest of us just have to deal with the fact that until they kill, nothing can be done.

They blame the news for reporting killings; they say children die everyday from accidents and this is no different; they argue that all dogs breeds are the same because they all possibly could kill.

You can not ignore the origin of a breed. You can't take instinct out of a dog. It's not the dogs fault that man made a breed that has jaws that lock, a temper that snaps, a desire to kill and fight; but that is what Pits are. Every human that is killed and mauled by this breed has been failed by our society that lets them be owned by humans. You can find a loving, loyal, and even protective dog in so many other breeds that do not have the darkside of what Pits have. The risk way outweighs the benefit.

I think now that we are living closer and closer to neighbors as the population increases we have to revisit and define what responsible dog ownership is and what is required to care for a dog.

Is is really humane to purchase a dog and tie it outside or leave in in a fence mostly alone for the rest of it's life? Is it fair to have a dog in a neighborhood that barks all night? Is it fair to let it run loose and tell everyone as it challenges them that it won't bite?

My suggestion is if you want a dog, then that dog should live inside you home. The only exception to that rule to me would be hunting dogs, but owners should be required to give them humane shelters. If people have a reason for guard dogs their property should be enclosed in a high fence and have training and control restrictions on them. Before some comment about ''what about our rights to own the dog we choose?'' Your right to own a dog does not negate our right to live in a safe environment and even does not preclude a dogs right to a humane life. With rights come responsibility.

-- Posted by localgal on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 9:32 AM

Jenny I agree, it is not just the pit bulls, it is ANY dog running loose. When I was a kid I was terrorized by a standard Schnauzer on my paper route all the time. Until I took my Collie with me :0 and people think Collies are mild mannered dogs!

No dog should be allowed to just roam freely, they find a buddy and they get into trouble. There are usually laws about dogs just running free.

All large breeds can be a danger, back 20+ years ago there were stories about St. Bernard's mauling people, and then came Dobermans, at one point I remember Cocker Spaniels attacking.

-- Posted by Take Action on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 11:10 AM

Seriously, should the city council and/or county commissioners make ordinances that prohibit these dogs (pitbulls, rottweilers and other know agressive dogs)? If so, the ordinance should not be "grandfathered", all dogs like that, new or old need to go.

What's your opinion?

-- Posted by Dagnabbit on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 12:25 PM

I think we should just completely BAN anything we think might be dangerous. We can start with Pit Bulls, and Rottweilers. Next month we can take away guns and knives. After that, maybe taking lighter fluid or matches would stop fires from being started. Before we know it we will not even have to think for ourselves!! C'mon, who's with me????

-- Posted by almostfootballfree on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 12:29 PM

I live in the country, We too have this annoying problem. I have them coming and tormenting my fenced in dogs and eating my cats food. I love animals just as much as the next, but it is getting ridiculous. My kids can't even ride their bikes because of these dogs coming at them. I chose to live in the country for the peacefulness, but in this area it has been far from that! Just be responsible as a pet owner and either fence them in (less stressful on the animal) or give them to someone who can care for them properly. Don't let them run free, they are going to be shot by someone or hit by a vehicle or worse yet bring back a disease to your family.

-- Posted by smoke20fan on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 2:38 PM

almostfree and others: We don't need any more rules. we've got them. Just need to enforce them. If they were enforced then it wouldn't matter what breed we were dealing with. None would be loose and roaming. Not only is it the law. It's an obligation the dog owner has to not only his neighbors but to his dog. Letting your dog loose to roam and possibly get shot or hit by a car or even eat poisoned bait put out because he is a menace to others' animals is the responsibility of the dog owner. If their dog gets killed, he cannot blame it on anyone but himself and should be fined and paying court costs instead of having people look the other way.

If you aren't prepared to house and exercise your dog properly, don't get one. Simple

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 4:17 PM


Please explain to me how any of the other items you mentioned can break loose on their own and maul a person to death.

If anyone in your family was killed by a known breed that kills often--not just bites---would it upset you or would you say,"Oh well, it just happens."?

But to stay more on task, I agree with Jenny. First we need to enforce the laws already on the books. The reason I brought up Pits is because the dog mentioned is a Pit; and by far when owners of Pits are irresponsible, really bad things happen.

-- Posted by localgal on Thu, Dec 10, 2009, at 4:35 PM

In response to your article about dogs in Staunton. Staunton has town ordinances against animals running at large as well as other ordinance such as trash and weeds, junk cars in people's yards that we enforce on a reguraly basis. Our town board has worked very hard making Staunton a safe and clean place to reside and the majority of our citizens appreciate that.

One of my responsibilities as Town Marshal is to enforce those ordinances as well as state statutes. I will continue to corral stray animals and enforce our ordinances to the best of my ability, and I thank all the citizens in Staunton for your cooperation.

Chuck Jones

Town Marshal

-- Posted by Chuck Jones on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 10:49 AM

My childrens' pet had its ear eaten off about 3 weeks ago due to a dog jumping our chain-link fence, in Staunton. Our normally strong pet was appearently no match for this beast. If I find the animal responsible my husband and children plan to shoot it, no questions asked. It really ticks me off that while most people are responsible pet owners I provide food, shelter, love and protection for my animals including the goats. You would think a chain link fence would stop this beast. I get so angry that no matter what you do to protect your kids and pets someone has to screw it up by not caring for theirs. $2500.00 for a completely fenced yard should work. People need to be RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND THEIR PETS!! Come on people IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!! iF MY CHILDREN OF 17 & 5 WERE OUT THERE THEY'D BE DEAD RIGHT NOW FOR DEFENDING OUR FOUR-LEGGED FAMILY MEMBERS!

-- Posted by soccermomwithanattitude on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 12:22 PM


I am so sorry that this has happened to you. This is my whole argument about breeds of dogs that fight and kill is encoded in them from birth. They have the strength to do what the please. You should feel safe in your own back yard.

It seems the only argument on this issue is on the owner rights to have certain breeds and never about the neighbors rights to be safe. There are so many kinds of dogs out there, the Frankenstein animals simply should not exist. They were created for fight, which is mans fault.

I also sympathize with authorities when the laws allow people to minimally take care of their animals and have breeds like Pits. They really can only at that point clean up bad messes. It also has to be very difficult to deal with all the issues of man and on top of that all the issues of animals. There has to be a better way.

-- Posted by localgal on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 1:05 PM

I am in Iraq but my children are in Staunton, I do NOT want to get a red cross message that one of them dogs attacked my babies, so I am hoping this problem gets taken care of and soon:) I was almost attacked by a pit bull, them are probably the meanest of dogs!

-- Posted by proud mom and soldier on Mon, Dec 14, 2009, at 1:51 PM

I have a pit bull scar on my wrist from being bitten so I can see the view point of those with a pit bull running free in their neighborhood. I have also treated hospitalized sheep, calves, and goats who have had run ins with loose dogs of a variety of breeds. Loose dogs are a menace period.

I have chased Germnan Shepherds and labradors and beagles even out of my pasture where they were chasing our livestock. NO dogs should be running loose. It's a STATE law. Until caught and fined stiffly however, nothing will change. The local law enforcement can't be everywhere this happens. Catch the critters if you can and turn them in. Then when owners come to claim them, have a stiff fine in place so it hurts to get them back. I know of a case where a dog owner sued a sheep owner for shooting his dog, saying no way was it after the guy's sheep. It was quickly overturned when the dog's autopsy showed wool wrapped around dog's canine teeth. Case closed. If owners aren't right there, there is no way they can know what their dog will do when loose.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Mon, Dec 14, 2009, at 3:44 PM


That is very upsetting, that if you call in a violent dog that it is just "pass the buck game" by authorities.

When this fiscal crisis passes our county needs to have a person with authority on call to deal with this problem. I also believe a loose aggressive breed owner should not get a second chance to keep their animal tied on their property. If it gets loose and caught that animal should not be returned to them. All our neighborhoods are being held captive by aggressive breed owners. We can't feel free to even let our children play outside or take our animals on a walk on a leash. Why do we allow this to happen?

-- Posted by localgal on Tue, Dec 15, 2009, at 8:10 PM

"In addition to the Our Gang Kids, many famous people have known the joys of owning this true American Breed such as: AJ Mclean, Alicia Silverstone, Alton Ford, Amare Stoudemire, Johnson, Amanda Lewis, Helen Keller, Serena Williams, Angel, Ann Bancroft, Anthony Robbins, Barbara Eden, Bernadette Peters, Bill Berloni, Brad Pitt, Frankie Muniz, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rodgers, Humphrey Bogart, Jack Dempsy, Jack Johnson, Jan Michael Vincent, John Stuart, Kelli Williams, Ken Howard, Linda Blair, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Madonna, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Mary Tyler Moore, Mel Brooks, Michael J Fox, Molly Price, Pink, President Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, Desmond Mason, Rashard Lewis, Rosie Perez, Rosy, Sinbad, Spicey, Stephan Jenkins, Steve and Terrie Erwin, Tamika Dixon, Mo Vaughn, Thomas Edison, Usher and many, many others.

"It was during this time that the Pit Bull truly became America's sweetheart breed by being admired, respected, and loved. Nothing has changed in the eyes of those who truly know the breed and have gotten to know a well bred, well cared for, well socialized member of the breed. APBT's are great at most any task--weight pulling, agility, Schutzhund, Obedience, and carting. The American Temperament Test Society (ATTS) has shown that, of breeds with 100 or more specimens tested, the APBT scored an 84.3%, beating out breeds such as: the German Shepherd, Dalmatian, Cocker Spaniel, Border Collie, Weimaraner, Great Dane, and even the beloved Golden Retriever. Recent research results have shown that such percentages mean the APBT has a significantly better temperament than most other breed groups ATTS STATS DOWD MANUSCRIPT. In spite of what may be the introduction of some bad breeding practices in the last 10 years or so, the vast majority of APBTs remain very human-friendly."

The history of the American Pit Bull Terrier

By Scot E. Dowd Ph.D.

"The only thing that two dog trainers agree upon is what the third dog trainer is doing wrong.

The only thing that two APBT historians agree on is that the others are completely wrong."

While any dog can exhibit an aggressive side towards humans and other animals it seems that according to statistics the number 1 dog in the United Sates of America that has/likely/will bite a person is the beloved traditional family dog the Golden Retriever. Yep, the Goldie is getting snappy! That information came from the #1 dog trainer/handler at the AMA in Greencastle.

While the APBT is not my breed of choice I do agree that ALL dog owners should be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof in regard to their "pet parenting skills", not just the APBT people but all breeds. This is an area that has been lacking the proper attention due to many reasons, none of which are acceptable to a parent of a child or pet who has been attacked by another dog no matter what breed it is. I have dogs, live in the country on my own farm but when my dogs go out I am with them constantly watching what they are doing and they do not leave my property. Somebody stated above that when 2 or more get together it becomes a whole new ball game. That is very true!! 2 or more dogs become a pack and packs do things that normally the individual dog wouldn't do such as go after livestock or another dog just because they can. This includes anything from the smallest of canines to the most loveable, not just one particular breed. Let me make it clear that I am not on the APBT hater bandwagon, I know several very NICE APBT's that are family dogs.

What I am trying to say is it's not the dogs that are the problem, they are just a by-product of a lack of attention, a type of neglect if you will, becasue the owner's won't step up and take a responsible role in caring for their doggie. Sorry for rambling........have a great day.

Merry Christmas to all!

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Wed, Dec 16, 2009, at 3:30 PM

Proud of My Country

"While any dog can exhibit an aggressive side towards humans and other animals it seems that according to statistics the number 1 dog in the United Sates of America that has/likely/will bite a person is the beloved traditional family dog the Golden Retriever. Yep, the Goldie is getting snappy! That information came from the #1 dog trainer/handler at the AMA in Greencastle."

I want to level the argument. I am not talking about a dog that can get snippy or bite, I am talking about dogs that kill. Pits and Rots are way off the charts on that category.

It does not mater what dogs the stars own or what show that breed has been on. It's all about the fact that those breeds are being bought to "guard" the owners and in reality they imprison the community they live in. You can never know what one will snap and take a life. The people who want fighting dogs are not confused on what breed to buy. This is the problem.

Here is two sites with deadly dog attack statistics: http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSa...


I do understand that it isn't the dogs fault, it's humans that need to be made to follow the laws. But you can't get away from the fact that the dogs that do the bulk of the killings are not good for the safety of our communities, because there will always be irresponsible people. It's unfortunate.

-- Posted by localgal on Wed, Dec 16, 2009, at 5:03 PM

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