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Unexpected turns in abduction investigation

Sunday, March 7, 2010

Brazil City Police Chief Dave Archer
The investigation into two recent attempts to allegedly abduct children in the Brazil area is turning out to be full of possible misunderstandings.

"Both of these children did exactly the right thing when they thought they were in danger," Brazil City Police Department Police Chief Dave Archer said. "This is a positive sign that families are talking about these types of scenarios. And being more aware, children, when faced with a dangerous situation, are doing exactly the right thing when this happens."

On Feb. 18, two separate families in the Edgewood Subdivision area reported incidents involving two different men -- but with similar descriptions -- who allegedly tried to get children inside gold-colored vehicles. However, the two children were able to get away and report what happened to their parents.

"It was initially confusing, because there were multiple reports of what appeared to be the same incident," Archer told The Brazil Times. "But after investigating the case further, we determined there was a second report about a different incident on Pinecrest Street during the same time period."

During the investigations, an unidentified man, who believed the first report might have been about him, called BCPD.

"He volunteered to come in and talk with investigators," Archer said. "It turned out the first incident was a misunderstanding."

Officers were able to clarify the initial report by finding out the man was upset because the child had allegedly thrown a snowball that just missed striking his vehicle while driving by. The man tried to "wave the child over" to talk, but when the boy ran inside the house he left the area believing the incident was over.

"The big differences in the second report, was the man allegedly stopped his vehicle and cursed at the child," Archer said. "After interviewing the juvenile, the second case is starting to move more toward a potential 'stupidity due to intoxication' incident instead of an attempted abduction.

"However, we will continue to investigate this as an alleged abduction until we can confirm this. Law enforcement is still the person or persons involved so that we can help ease the tension felt by many residents over these incidents."

Understanding children could be frightened when confronted by this type of situation, Archer said "it's better to be safe than sorry" when reporting these types of incidents.

"When it comes to the safety of a child, we will continue to investigate these reports," He said. "Even if it turns out to only help ease the mind of a concerned parent, it's time well spent. The victims, and their families, in this case should be commended. They did the right thing."

To report information about the second suspect -- described as a white male about 30-years-old with a blonde goatee, who was wearing a stocking type hat the day of the incident and driving a gold mini van -- or any other case to the Brazil City Police Department, call 446-2211.

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UMad, just because a child throws a snowball towards a car does not make them a "misfit". It makes them a CHILD that made a bad decision. I feel bad for the men in question had their names been published and had they been charged with something they did not do. However, do you not think, if there is a possible case of attempted child abduction that it should be fully investigated. Kids are kids, a stranger in a car pulls over and calls to them, for whatever reason, of course they're going to be scared and it SHOULD be reported. Thank goodness the police & the Brazil Times are smart enough that they didn't go publishing the name of the man that spoke with them.

You however UMad, have made one of the most idiotic comments I've yet to read on here. I hope to God that if you have kids, you never have to go through a scare like that, maybe then you would feel a little differently.

-- Posted by asil on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 7:02 AM

Kudos to the man who went into the police station to clear up this misunderstandinh.... Shame on the boy who would make up this story... he new what he had done.... and as for the second incident I am at a loss of words... stupidity due to intoxication... how ignorant!

-- Posted by Innocent on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 7:25 AM

Thank God the person called the brazil pd, it would never have been solved otherwise.

-- Posted by Ombudsman on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 8:16 AM

I agree with asil. Had the man gone to the door to speak to a parent this would never had happened. I'm proud of this child for not approaching the vehicle when the man waved him over. We teach our children to never talk to strangers! This is a young child but people want him to know the difference in taking to a stranger to be reprimanded for throwing a snowball and talking to a stranger to be lured into a vehicle by a pedophile. Are you serious? I think it's a good lesson for not only the child, but for the adult that handled this totally wrong!

-- Posted by just thinking on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 9:19 AM

I agree with "freedom1" and would add that not all children play in front of their "own" houses. Having a man walking around door-to-door trying to find out whose child it was would have met with parents calling about a 'stranger lurking in the neighborhood'.

I'm glad this turned out to be nothing more than what it was. Good job to the BPD for taking this - and every possible abduction - seriously.

-- Posted by Emmes on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 11:01 AM

Perhaps, in addition to teaching our children not to talk to strangers, we should also teach them to respect other peoples property. I'm pretty sure if that had been the case, none of this would of happened in the first place.

Kudos to the man that contacted the police to explain the situation. He must of been scared to death.

-- Posted by My opinion counts on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 11:13 AM

For gods sake it was a snowball!! Get over it! Go on down the road and let it be. You drive on the snow and get it packed up around your tires! A snowball is not going to break your windows or dint your car or truck. Kids are kids and what kids havent thrown snowballs? Are you telling me this man has never thrown a snowball at a car or person? GET REAL!!

-- Posted by dogslove on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 12:37 PM

Dogslave,your wrong I have had a front window broken by a snowball,of course my speed was probably faster than this Gentlemans. Glad this person contacted authorities about this,but I also wonder if the parents reprimanded thier child for throwing the snowball at a moving vehicle.This is where the police should get involved,because what if that had been a elderly person,driving by on a slick rd, may have startled them and caused them to wreck.

-- Posted by T-REX on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 1:25 PM

I think the word that was used was snowball not iceball!! Snowball- soft and falls apart on impact. Iceball- hard like a baseball and hurts on impact! What is next we dont want any kids to have any kind of fun! No one was hurt, no one wrecked a car, so why was this man yelling at these kids? Are they his kids? I personally would have punched this man in the mouth if he was yelling and cursing at one of my children. So I guess the parents should punnish the kids for this and we should let Mr. loud mouth go on like he did the right thing?

-- Posted by dogslove on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 10:10 PM

1st of all this was my child and not ONE of you know the whole correct story, so do not SHAME my child nor accuse me of not monitoring my child! my child was playing w/ other children in our peaceful neighborhood, this is the second story this man told the police per the Brazil city PD. so all you people who jump to conclusions and talk about people and children SHAME on you. if this ever happens to your child and your family my prayers go out to you cause you will need them!

-- Posted by shanbilly on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 7:44 AM

Some of these comments are so disturbing. I can't believe anyone would call a child a "misfit" after being approached by someone while walking down the sidewalk in their neighborhood. When we hear of incidents of people driving from Indianapolis to small towns, picking up children and taking them back to Indianapols to sell them to the highest bidder and when we see stories all over the national news regarding kids being abducted and never found again or maybe being found years later after living through terrible abuse like Jaycee Dugard did. Two men in a van pull up next to a little girl who is walking down the sidewalk and yell obscenities to her is enough to scare anyone with a brain to death. No, we don't know if these men intended to abduct her but we also don't know if they did intend to do so. Something scared them off and I am grateful for that but who knows if they will return to our neighborhood that is filled with children who have the right to walk around and visit one another to play. I don't believe it was a local resident, why would they take a chance of being identified by someone who knows them. No, UMad, I don't feel sorry for these men and if you do, you are "Mad" and have some major problems. Maybe we should all be on the lookout for you. No man has the right, drunk or on drugs or not to pull up next to a child and say those things. Think about it, if they were drunk, they have no right to be driving around anywhere anyway, let alone in a neighborhood that is full of children, so NO, I don't feel sorry for them. I pray they will be caught.

-- Posted by kathystarr on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 12:28 PM

Cursing is one thing, but the comment about "punching this man in the mouth" is a classic bullying technique which serves only to teach children aggression as a means of defense.

Disregard for personal property is wrong .. as is throwing snowballs (iceballs) at anyone other than the those in a 'snowball fight'. Period. Sugar coat it with "kids will be kids" all you want - the truth is it's disrespectful (not about whether it hurts or damages personal property). No child should be allowed to disrespect adults (or another human being, for that matter)- in public or at home.

That's not to say children should listen to strangers! Be safe and smart.

My thoughts on disrespectful kids is this: ONE of the adults they come in contact with should behave like a parent and I have no problem stepping into that role. Someone should - might as well be me. (No, I don't scream, curse and yell at other people's kids - but I make it clear that it won't be tolerated. Yes, it works for me.)

In a perfect world, adults would behave like adults and parents would stop coddling their PCs (perfect children). Kids can and should be kids - with respectful attitudes. Not bullies. Children raised to respect adults and authority are happy, well-adjusted, grounded assets to society. All parents want their kids to be good, decent grown-ups.

Respect starts at home - and it works.

-- Posted by Emmes on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 12:44 PM

Emmes, I bet you have very unhappy children. My children respect adults, and others property. But you can rest assured that if you mess with my kids you mess with me!! Parents are to defend their children. The parents are to correct their own children, they dont need you to do it for them! I guess your kids are PURFECT KIDS! They have never thrown a snowball at anyone? Right!

-- Posted by dogslove on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 1:35 PM

I am not in the habit of caring what others think of me or my children, and won't start now.

Those who lead by fear and bullying fall short in the long run - those tactics have an adverse reaction, especially in the real world. Bullies typically pick on those too weak to defend themselves. It makes them feel good to pick on someone, make someone feel weak - like they felt living at home with a parent who was a bully.

Back to the topic of the story: Of course parents are to correct their own children, but we both know that doesn't always happen - so, therefore yes, someone should do it before it gets out of hand.

I am a realist and know there's no such thing as a perfect child. My point is that disrespecting adults and property (which is the basis of this article) is wrong. We obviously disagree on the subject.

-- Posted by Emmes on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 2:42 PM

I thought the "basis of this article" was involving protecting our children from possible child abductions, not arguing over a snowball throwing incident.

-- Posted by CJay696 on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 5:00 PM

pure ignorance! let it happen to your child like mine and NONE of you will have a nasty comment to say. there is alot more to this story than you readers know. 2 different stories, 3 different cars this man owns. my child is very respectful but now a terrified 8yr old all because some man did'nt know what he wanted to do. i believe thier is still more to this story that is being overlooked too many conflicting comments from the so called stranger. let your children play alone if you want too..remember he is still roaming our streets!

-- Posted by shanbilly on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 10:43 PM

Leave it to WTHI-Channel 10 to get the story totally screwed up. Their report on the late night news was totally wrong. Where do they get their information? Hopefully not from the Brazil Police Dept.

-- Posted by nana2010 on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 11:14 PM

Emmes, just give it up. It's not worth it. Some people simply do not have the ability to consider another point of view.

-- Posted by My opinion counts on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 8:20 AM

Thats exactly where the information comes from just like the same thing told to the paper half the time its lies anything to make it look like they actually know how to do investigations or anything else appears to be a joke they sit in the office and wait for criminals to turn themselves in, the chief told us so in the article about waiting two weeks while being bothered by another county everyday wanting the guy picked up, instead the chief thought it would be a great idea to harm as many people as possible including the prospective bride and guests instead of just the guy with the warrant, then somehow thought he'd get praise from the comment section. ELections are not too far away --

-- Posted by Ombudsman on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 8:41 AM

SHANBILLY .. my deepest sympathies to you and your family. This is a very disturbing thing (innocent or not) to have happen to a young child.

I heard on HI-99 this morning a completely different rendition of what happened that doesn't come close to what the Brazil Times article states. Sounds like you and NANA2010 are right .. more investigation is needed before an article with incorrect information is posted.

MY OPINION COUNTS: You are right as well. Thanks for the gentle reminder. ; )

-- Posted by Emmes on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 11:02 AM

Umm, just a reminder for those interested.

The two news agencies listed by commenters as being different versions of the story (possibly wrong versions) are from the SAME affiliate!

WTHI Channel 10 and HI-99 are the same news agency.

And I don't know if anyone agrees with me, but the newscasters from both of those agencies are WAY TOO into telling stories with a flair for ARMAGEDDON.

IF you believe the paper is wrong so much, then explain why there are no retractions in the paper for being wrong. That's something newspapers have to do if they print wrong information, but not apparently television media. Because, if you watch news enough you will see they change the stories all the time, but never say they were wrong to start with!!

I will trust our local authorities and media before I will those who are not vested in our community!

As for the families involved in these cases, I pray for peace for your children and justice for those who scared the kids.

Problem is, this is a situation where no one will be happy unless we stake someone out on the courthouse lawn.

That won't happen.

Justice might not happen the way the parents or the community wants, but it will sooner or later.

Have faith.

-- Posted by Cy on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 2:22 PM

I totally agree with you Cy. WTHI news always strives to be the FIRST to report any news in the valley and will do anything the want to get it on the air before WTWO. I have so much respect for David Shepard (WTWO newsman) who did this story a few weeks ago. He gives the facts and only the facts and puts the victims first no matter what. He knows and understands that presenting a story that has the wrong information is detrimental to the victims and the law enforcement agencys ability to solve these crimes. I will never watch another news program on WTHI or listen to the news on HI-99 radio. They owe this community a huge apology but I am sure we will never get it.

-- Posted by nana2010 on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 4:10 PM

Emmes...Cy...and nana2010, thank you all for concern and sympathy and for not being one of the commentors jumping the gun and assuming thier own conclusion. you know you think something like this will never happen to YOUR child, but it has devastated our family. my personal opinion, had other children not started yelling at this man, my child may not be here today. turned himself in or not, i dont think its his first incident (maybe 1st time caught description) but now that he's on record MAYBE he'll think twice. still please remember he's out driving around and have your children play in groups.

-- Posted by shanbilly on Thu, Mar 11, 2010, at 8:15 AM

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