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Agencies battle blaze, heat

Wednesday, August 11, 2010

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Firefighters responded to a house fire at 718 N. Walnut St., Brazil, Wednesday, which officials believe was a total loss. Jason Moon Photo. [Order this photo]
Emergency responders from 17 different agencies battled a blaze and the heat for more than four hours Wednesday.

Officials were dispatched to 718 N. Walnut St., Brazil, shortly after 2:30 p.m.

Upon arrival, firefighters not only battled the fire, but also the blazing heat. Temperature readings through the city of Brazil Wednesday topped 100-degrees.

Brazil City Fire Dept. Capt. Joe Bennett determined an electrical box could have been the cause of the fire, speculating the fire started at the box meter base and worked its way up inside the home walls.

"When it got in the attic, it was all through," Bennett told The Brazil Times. "It got a good head start on us."

The occupants of the home, LeRoy Simmons and Eugenia Dixon, along with two children, were in the home when the fire started. However, they all were out when the fire department arrived.

In addition, the family had two dogs and a cat they rescued from the fire as well.

As firefighters battled the blaze, the roof began to cave in, forcing all personnel away from the home.

Due to the heat, officials with BCFD requested additional manpower from several agencies, including some outside of Clay County.

Additional agencies responding to the fire included the Brazil City Police Department, TransCare, the Center Point Township Volunteer Fire Department, Clay County Sheriff's Department, Van Buren Volunteer Township Fire Department, Posey Volunteer Township Fire Department, Reelsville Fire Department, Seelyville Fire Department, Jackson Township Volunteer Fire Department, Riley Fire Department, Evans Township Fire Department (Vigo County), Clay County Search and Rescue, Perry Township/Cory Volunteer Fire Department, Otter Creek Fire Department (Vigo County), and Dick Johnson Volunteer Township Fire Department.

Bennett said additional support came from the Putnamville Correctional Facility.


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thank goodness no one was injured! was the home a total loss? does the family need clothing/household items?

-- Posted by millertime on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM

They got a few items out and I cannot speak for Eugena and Leroy but my mom also lived there and all of her clothes medications and computer burned up. They have insurance so I'm sure they'll be alright.

-- Posted by SKCC on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 1:39 PM

A BIG "THANK YOU" TO EVERYONE WHO PROVIDE WATER, ICE AND GATORAIDE TO THE FIREFIGHTERS. IT WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!

-- Posted by bandmom_63 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 3:15 PM

BCFD is a full time fire dept. I understand. I understand the ambulance company in case of injuries and rehab. I understand the law enforcement agency for traffic and crowd control. I even understand serch and rescue. I understand it was one of the hottest days of the year. What I don't understand is the need for 11 different fire departments. Is BCFD so woefully undermanned that they are unable to handle probaly one of just a handfull of working fires they have had this year. Are they not trained properly? They do nothing but respond to fire runs. They DO NOT respond to medical emergencies in the city. I have been told they have no one medically trained.

Having been a member of a combination Fire Dept. for 23 years, perhaps I could suggust augmenting the full time personal with volunteers? Did all these other fire depts. that responded leave their territories uncoverd?

If I lived in center point,van buren, dick johnson,jackson,posey, cory, seeleyville reelsville,evans,riley, otter creek,I would be asking "what if my property had caught fire"?

-- Posted by tcgfd1 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 7:13 PM

tcgfd1, if you understand that it was one of the hottest days of the year and if you read the article, you would have seen the reason for the extra manpower. With the normal air temp being at or near 100 then adding the heat from the fire the fire fighters were at serious risk of heat prostration, heat stroke, etc.by having the extra man power they could swith them off to help prevent that from happening. You say you were a fire fighter, I would think you would understand that concept as it is not that uncommon.

-- Posted by Village_Id10t on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 8:56 PM

I totally agree. BCFD is bad. They dont want to help other dept on runs and refuse to help the ambulance when needing help. They are very undermaned and I dont think they do much training. Most of them have minimal training,just enough to qualify for the state. It was hot but it was just one house that was not a big house. They had 12 depts. They also had putnamville correctional facility fire dept also. I would be emmbarassed if I was a BCFD fireman. I do feel bad for the family that lost there house but they loose 90% of the houses they fight. I feel sorry for everybody that has a house in city territory cause when your house catcches fire you will have only the clothes on your back when all said and done.

-- Posted by max23 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 9:05 PM

I understand that is was one of the hottest day's of the year. But you never hear of a volunteer dept. calling for 11 other dept. to help. And even with all that help, that poor family still lost there house. It is awful that the people of brazil city have to pay for a fire dept. like BCFD. There needs to be something done about them. They need more training. Maybe instead of sitting on station and getting payed for it. They should be out doing something for there city. I hear that they don't want to help the Amb. or when they go and help out other dept. they are rude and don't help. Maybe the Mayor needs to get her nose out of the police dept. and more into the fire dept. When is the last time they did save a house? Someone please let me know.

-- Posted by verncat on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 9:18 PM

Max23

If you live in the city and your house catches fire grab your garden hose and take care of it leave Brazil City at there station. Then we can all read about the fool who didnt need Brazil City.

vercat

You are so very wrong Brazil City is the first to help a Vol fire Dept and when they show up the bust there hump doing what ever they are asked. And dont belive everything you hear.And if I may ask please tell us what you have done for the city.

tcgfd1

Yes if you lived out side the city you house would have been covered in case of a fire. Also welcome to 2010 where fire depts help each other when they are called.

I dont care what time it is or what day it is if my house catches fire I want Brazil city and all the vol fire depts to show up.

-- Posted by Anarchy on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 10:20 PM

It took the fire department 30 minutes to get there and their like 4 blocks away. It also took the light company as long to turn the power off before the fire department could even do anything. The whole situation was just messed up.

-- Posted by SKCC on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 10:59 PM

Anarchy you have no clue what your talking about. I have seen them in action more times to count. How many fires have you seen them on helping the vol fire depts? The majority of vol fire depts can handle their fires themself and when not it is not 12 other depts with them. Oh and if you lived in a out side township your house would not have been covered. Tell me how they would have been covered when all the other depts was in town helping them? Ask some of the depts around the area and see what the response is.

-- Posted by max23 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 11:35 PM

Max23,

I can tell you that if you lived in Jackson Twp. you would have been covered. I was one of the firefighters from Jackson Twp that went to assist Brazil City. We took one apparatus and three firefighters. That left 3 other apparatus and 14 firefighters left that were available to answer any medical or fire related call. We will never completely deplete our coverage area, someone will always remain to cover our own area, or we will place a nearby department on standby.

Not all the other departments had personnel at the fire, I know of at least two nearby departments that had personnel on standby at their station.

I will not comment on how other departments operate as it would be inappropriate. I would say that if you feel you have a legitimate complaint with any department put it in writing and take it to the respective chief. Most departments are open to the public and are very receptive to those that they serve, as most of us are probably your neigbors so we have a vested interest in doing a good job.

As for the house on walnut, there could be many factors that could have caused it to end up the way it did. Anyone can armchair quarterback the situation, so before we bash anyone let's make sure we know all the facts. You can have the best fire department, the most highly trained firefighters in the region and still lose the battle against a structure fire.

As for departments helping each other mutual aid is very common. With volunteer departments we routinely have more than one department on scene depending on time of day (we all have full time jobs and are not all off at the same time), location of water supply and many other factors. You may see up to three or more departments on a scene at any fire in this county or throughout the state (the nation for that matter). According to the National Fire Protection Association the optimal number of firefighter on a small house fire is 22. Not all departments in the county have that many firefighters on their roster.

The National Standard for training according to the NFPA and OSHA is Firefighter II, which is roughly 600 hours of training. It's very tough to get people to volunteer and get that amount of time to complete the training, not to mention the follow on training. It's a lot of time, and for the volunteers we do it for free, there is not a different standard for us and career (all paid) departments. So we all rely on each other and will answer any call for help, and most of us do it on a shoestring budget.

Sorry for the rant, but please let's keep it civil and not bash anyone unless you have all the facts.

I would like to thank those that brought the water and gatorade out to us, it was very much appreciated. The heat index at the time was 108 degrees and wearing all the turnout gear we wear adds to the heat.

-- Posted by Localguy1972 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM

Trust me I understand mutual aid completely.I understand how hard it is to get volunteers in this day and age. I understand that most dept. because of being undermand don't comply with NFPA on any run they respond to. I understand that most counties in this state have 11 to 13 townships and every one has some kind of fire coverage.I understand , as was stated , unless you are a BIG city FD you are going to ask for mutual aid on any working fire, be it for RIT, manpower, tankers or various other things.

I also understand that if you need 11 different depts for one working house fire there is something very, very, very, wrong somewhere.

-- Posted by tcgfd1 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 8:19 AM

tcgfd1 - HEAT HEAT HEAT - you apparently haven't been out in it. Just walking two blocks to my car is a workout in this weather. I cannot imagine trying to fight a blazing fire in this heat. I think it was great that all the other depts. came to help out so everyone could take frequent breaks to try & cool down. Thank God these guys even want to be firemen - it is a hot & dangerous job. Thanks to ALL firemen!

-- Posted by indianamama on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 8:57 AM

Had there been 11 departments actually on scene I would be concerned also. Of the departments that did show up most only had a couple bodies per apparatus, several came in POV's. Not all of the departments that were toned out had apparatus on scene.

In the article it alluded to Cory and Otter Creek being on the scene, They were not. There were many that simply went on standby. In this case the article is not entirely accurate. As sometimes happens some information is obtained through the scanner as I believe this might have been the case.

Nevins (not evans) Twp, Riley, Seelyville and Reelsville were there from out of county as was PCF's 3 personnel.

not trying to start an argument, but trying to interject some facts into the discussion that were not in the article.

-- Posted by Localguy1972 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 9:22 AM

I just wanted to inject something here. What could be taken from some of these comments is that usually fighting a structure fire is easy. That everything commonly takes place in an orderly fashion. That the development of the fire, the inherent dangers to the public and the firefighters is completely predictable down to each drop of water and each burned board, through each void space between ceilings, through each wall, under each shingle, hidden below each floor. That the risk of electrocution is something that should be ignored by firefighters. That a house fire isn't really that hot or dangerous. That's what some may assume if they believe a few of these comments.

Heat, manpower,and response time are factors in firefighting. The Firefighters adapted to the temperature by drinking plenty of liquids that were made available, teams of firefighters were taking frequent breaks to combat the effects of the heat. The priorities of a fire department are life safety, incident stabilization, and property conservation. It's important to note that no one was injured or killed, that structures that were in close proximity, on both sides of this incident were protected, and bystanders were kept safe. As far as the damage to the home which is a terrible and tragic loss to the family. Fire departments must constantly review their mode of operation at a scene, at some point the value and condition of what can be saved must be measured against what will be risked to preserve or save it. There was nothing more that could be done to prevent this loss, manpower was increased, neighboring departments were contacted, contingency plans were put into place. Firefighters, from the City and from Rural Departments worked together. Community members, elected officials, those living in the area supported the work being accomplished to prevent the spread of this fire and efforts to provide some solace to the family that suffered the loss.

But...THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THESE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ARE ABOUT....You see the comments made by verncat and max23, are rooted in something else. verncat and max23 work for Transcare ambulance. For these two, this is an opportunity to bash the City Fire Department because, the City Fire Department has a policy in place that resists providing assistance to the private ambulance company in non emergent situations. Transcare, the private company, receives compensation from the County Government in the form of a substantial contract, but they too are undermanned, and request help on nearly every call that they are summoned. This help comes from volunteer fire departments, where the members volunteer to help. Transcare, the company, relies on the general attitude of this community and it's volunteers to "just help out". In turn they get free labor, make more profit, and still get their contracted job completed with less employees, then charge your insurance company and make more profit. And what do those departments and firefighters get who are helping them get? Increased liability.

Insurance is big business and private ambulance companies are on the take. These two fools aren't at fault, but they take it personal. They are just as undermanned as any fire department, but think other emergency service workers should drop what they are doing and leave their own responsibilities to fill in and help their company make a profit. I'm not sure what the point of being critical of a fire department on their performance on one of the hottest days of the year really does for them. Perhaps they're just jealous and just want to be a firefighter, but can't figure out how to get into those pants either....

-- Posted by saintpetercillin on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 10:43 AM

I've never been a firefighter or had a house fire, but I can say that LOCALGUY makes the most sense out of the obvious "firefighter bashing" comments.

I don't know if VERNCAT or MAX work for TRANScare (and I don't care), but it seems to me that the opinions here were formed before knowing the facts.

It makes perfect sense to send ALL available firefighters to a structure fire - that's what I'd want them to do if it were MY house - especially in this heat and with all the gear they have to wear while fighting a fire. It would be so easy to be overcome by heat before even entering (if they had to) the structure.

My hats off to ALL fire departments who were dispatched and who tried to save this home. I appreciate your effort and sacrifice. Thank you!

-- Posted by Emmes on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 11:10 AM

I thought mutual aid agreements were in place? So am I understanding these agreements are for fire supression only? If the mayor has a heart attack in City Hall will the BCFD respond? Does BCFD pick and choose what medical runs they respond to?I am not sure I have ever seen a ambulance with more then 2 personal on board. Would not these

unit sometimes need mutual aid as well? This whole situation really has me confused now.

-- Posted by tcgfd1 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 11:10 AM

Let me penetrate this a little further. When you say "whole situation". Do you mean the dynamics of assisting other agencies? or do you mean the "whole" privatization of emergency services situation? Apparently there are some types of mutual aid agreements in place. This particular incident proved that. Isn't that what your also complaining about though? That other departments aided the city department? Weren't you questioning why other departments were dispatched to help? You need to pick and choose your position.

The County contracts out for bridge construction, just as it does for ambulance service. Should firefighters also help out these construction companies to help build bridges? If this were a county run, government entity, this issue would be less complicated, but it is not. This is a private company, making a profit through the county via taxpayers, and then making yet more profit from some of those same taxpayers by charging their insurance companies. It isn't the fault of verncat, or max23, they just work there. Where does this "helpng out" attitude end? Eventually firefighters will be driving cabs when transcare is low on cabbies. Maybe a do a little taxi cab confessions. Hope you're less confused.

-- Posted by saintpetercillin on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 12:50 PM

But it is a FACT that City fire cant not controll a fire or help out when needed. Listen to the radio when they have refused to help others over the radio. Ths has nothing to do with transcare. They was there helping. Everybody is so fast to bring them in on things. There are others in here stating that is alittle confusing to use 12 dept for one little ole house fire. It is a talk through town.

-- Posted by cityinneed on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM

tcgfd1 No they would not respond to the city hall. They choose to not respond to any medical call emergent or non emergent. The vol. Fire dept dont have to respond either but they choose to.

-- Posted by cityinneed on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 2:15 PM

Let me just stick this in here. A "FACT", huh? There are no facts being presented by your comment. Your revealing an opinion. Now ask yourself why you have that opinion, and why you feel so strongly about it that you would risk looking foolish by typing out a comment and submitting it to a public forum like this. Do you feel that? That's called anger. That's why you have such a strong opinion. You're angry at the City Fire Department or maybe certain City Firefighters for something trivial that has little to do with their performance.

When you say listen to the radio, do you mean FM or AM? Realize that only a small percentage of the population care what kind of emergency radio traffic is being broadcast. These points are falling on deaf ears. Your right this has nothing to do with Transcare, aside from the FACT, that two of their employees are making a few negative comments about firefighters on this story.

"Can't not" means can

-- Posted by saintpetercillin on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 2:34 PM

Cityinneed,

If I may interject one point. When our tones drop for a call medical or fire, we have a duty to act we do not have a choice in responding (other than not being a member of the department). Not doing so would be negligence.

Most of us realize this is one of the requirements of belonging to a department, our only act of volunteering was to join. After we join we have to meet the obligations of the organization and the state of Indiana.

Please do not think that I am bashing anyone or any department, I'm just trying to add a little clarity to some obvious confusion on how departments operate.

-- Posted by Localguy1972 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 2:56 PM

Not complaining at all. Just trying to understand is all. There was a working house fire in a small city with a full time fire dept. this was more then the BCFD could handle due to weather, man power or perhaps other reasons to. My original question I think was why they asked not for mutual aid , because that is a good thing.

My question was WHY the amount of mutual aid they felt a need to ask for. Everything else, with the private ambulance company was brought into it later for some reason. I do have a opinion. Most full time fire depts. have gotten into the EMS business over the years to help justify their existance. With advancement in fire prvention( which most depts I know of do a GREAT JOB AT), smoke detectors, and construction improvements the run load for fire responses has gradually diminished. A lot of depts. also have been proactive enough to train their personel in EMS to better serve the people of their communities.

Gues its just a matter of priorities.

-- Posted by tcgfd1 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 3:02 PM

What I witnessed on the Walnut Street was a group of dedicated city firemen busting their ass's right alongside the volunteers. I also have a scanner and I have never heard Brazil Fire refuse to assist another agency. I don't know where some of you people are getting your statistics from but they are very inaccurate.

-- Posted by Erethism on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 3:11 PM

tcgfd1, Does the gfd in your handle stand for Greencastle Fire Department?

-- Posted by Erethism on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 3:19 PM

Saintpetercillin, I bet the "can't not" comment went well above Cityinneeds head.

-- Posted by Erethism on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 3:37 PM

tcgfd1: Why does it matter how many departments were called? Why are you so concerned with the mutual aid issue? In the past, I've heard of members of volunteer departments showing up without even being called.

-- Posted by spiritof56 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 4:00 PM

Obviously the reason the local private ambulance company has been brought up in this forum is because, "verncat" and "max23" both work for Transcare. They have submitted defaming comments about the City Fire Department specifically. Most likely due to a lack of understanding of the City's policies in regards to assisting their employer. They have taken these policies personal and now are trying to give their own little retort in these negative comments.

-- Posted by saintpetercillin on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 4:11 PM

It is so easy for some of you to sit back and judge, I'd like to see you put on full fire gear when it is 100+ degrees out. BCFD DID A GREAT JOB!!! THE REASON FOR SO MANY DEPARTMENTS IS THAT YOU GET A FEW FIREFIGHTERS FROM EACH DEPARTMENT, NOT THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, YOU PUT TOGETHER TEAMS OF FRESH FIGHTERS TO FIGHT THE FIGHT! IT IS GREAT TO SEE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WORK TOGETHER AND HELP THE CITY OF BRAZIL, THE BRAZIL CITY FIREFIGHTERS HELP THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IF NEEDED, EVEN GREENCASTLE AND TERRE HAUTE. IF YOU HAVE NEVER ROLLED OUT OF BED AT 3:00 A.M. WHEN IT IS 1 BELOW ZERO AND WENT TO A HOUSE FIRE AND STILL WENT TO WORK AND WORKED A TEN HOUR SHIFT AND LEFT YOUR REGULAR JOB AND WENT BACK TO THE FIRE STATION TO CLEAN AND HANG HOSES, THEN DON'T SPEND YOUR OPINION. ANY FOOL CAN COMPLAIN, CRITIZE AND FIND FAULT, AND MOST DO!

-- Posted by bandmom_63 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 5:02 PM

saintpetercillin

You keep going back to the transcare issue. Who care who works for who. You obviously work for city fire. That is why you are trying to defend your inadequate job as a fire dept. and trying to turn the page into something else. Transcare is always geting bashed when they have something in the paper even if it is a positive note. Im sure the fire dept has bashed them to so what goes around comes around. There is more people than them in here wondering what the problem was. Everybody has an opinion and free to voice it. Like why take 30 minutes to get to scene in city limits (that was posted above). There are alot of citizens in the community that knows what is going on and thinks the fire dept needs some change.

-- Posted by cityinneed on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 5:40 PM

30 minutes, really? Come on people if we are going to tell lies let's make them somewhat believable. I'm sure everything from the initial call all the way to the last fire truck leaving the scene is well documented. Maybe go to the 911 dispatch and ask them. I'm sure you would find that statement to be false. Give me proven facts not a bunch of made up bull.

-- Posted by Erethism on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM

Let me just squirt a little bit of sense in your eye . I'm not defending, just pointing out the interest of a couple fools. It's not really about adequacy, it's about making derogatory remarks about another agency , to promote their own. It's something personal, and the intent is to influence those who read these comments. Response times are something that can be proven, is there really a belief that it took 30 minutes for any agency to get to the scene? Let's not be gullible. That's like telling someone you can get a good look at their vitals by sticking your hands down their pants, well...I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

-- Posted by saintpetercillin on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 6:14 PM

2 reasons the amount of mutual aid concerns me. 1. I have elderly relatives that live in Clay County. I'd hate to think that if their property caught fire its possible there would be no response to their location. 2 We are not talking about a "volunteer" dept that their members have jobs and may not even be in the area because of it. When BCFD personal are on duty there are at their job. Once again , as I have stated mutual aid is a very good and necessary thing in the fire service.The amount of mutual aid was WAY over the top for 1 working house fire.

and a particular note tospiritof56, I have seen many many times a volunteer with his gear in his pesonal vehicle roll up to a scene and offer assistance unsolicited. In fact I was in Tennesse and rolled up on a fully involved semi. Had my gear in the back of the truck. Engine rolled up with a single volunteer on it. He and I knocked it down before any one else was able to arrive. Please don't think I am knocking the fire service. I AM NOT. After 23 years , I have been there, done that, and even got the free t shirt.

-- Posted by tcgfd1 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 6:46 PM

max23 you work for trans care, no need to say anymore.

-- Posted by Anarchy on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:38 PM

tcgfd, I believe around here they call that freelancing and it is very much frowned on for safety reasons. I'm sure you already knew this since you're such an experienced firefighter.

-- Posted by Erethism on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:42 PM

He never said he does or doesn't work for them. Back to the its transcare fault again. Transcare has offered training to city fire and they don't want any part of it. Every body has opinions. I can say for a fact that they are not the only agency that thinks there should be change.

-- Posted by cityinneed on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:58 PM

All you were looking for was the free t-shirt.

-- Posted by spiritof56 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:59 PM

Politics should be left to the politicians. All the services that day were most definitely on the same page and worked well together..fire, police and medical.

You people are tearing this community apart with the continuous bickering of who is better and who doesn't have a clue.

This is only my opinion, but I believe all the emergency services are there for the same reason. To serve the public and protect its' citizens. A thank you is in order for all of them. If you can't be civil enough for a thank you, you probably should just smile and move along.

Thank you Fire Departments. Thank you EMS service. Thank you Law Enforcement.

It is just that easy...

-- Posted by RickS on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 8:18 PM

I would like to say first thanks to ALL those that helped assist with the fire at my sister and dad's house. It was a total loss. And for me as much as that hurt and sucked, to see so many whom weren't there to assist or even as a spectator, comment like they know, is extremely disturbing. Here it goes, First of all the fire department did NOT take 30 minutes to arrive and could have saved more, IF, the power company could have arrived sooner to disonnect the power. So take from that what you will...Now for the bashing of the BCFD, I think that all the departments did the best they could under all the circumstances. I believe some went up and above the call of their jobs to help my family. I personally am greatful that the other departments were there, because as tradgic of a situation as it is, no one was injured, and more importantly the nearby apartment complex and the house to the north were both spared. And the fire department saved the power lines that were in the line of fire. So many of you continued to use your power, home phones, and cable uninterupted. So now say thank you. Yes all other areas were still properly coverd. The departments that responded and assisted never abandoned their own. They just helped a neighbor. Something so many of you could learn from. If more people remembered the rules of life we wouldnt be having this conversation. But instead so many are worried about theirself and what they may gain from what they are doing. Shame on all of you who took the oppotunity to take shots at each other, all over someone elses misfortune and loss. By having all the other departments there and all the extra hands they were able to continuously battle the fire. Instead of having just one team, they were able to have multiple teams changing places and taking breaks. It would have been physically impossible for just the BCFD to handle that fire in that heat for the 4 hours it took. Without all the extra help there would have been lots more room for heat exahaution, or heat stroke by any and ever person assisting. And that would have allowed for the fire to spread to surrounding homes. Which as I see it that means when they were done with our fire if any one else needed help, they were able to do it and do it right. Instead of being to worn out to help anyone else. Let me tell you just from standing there and doing nothing in the line of work and not wearing the suits they wear I was hot as all get out. And I was dressed for the weather. Instead of posting your negative comments on someone elses misfortunes why dont you actually handle that in a mature grow up fashion at town meetings or however it is that you can in writing to the proper people. This is not the proper way to get a point or disagreement handled. Imagine your house your loss, and then reading people complaining about it as if it were their own and yet not truely knowing the facts even. If you were not part of the fire department or part of the other emergency response personnel or better yet the people who were there from start to finish then you may very well be misinformed. I have spoke with my family several times and at no point have I heard them mention fault to the fire departments for the loss, or that they gave a lack of anything. They feel as though they did respond in a timely manner and did all they could to help and save what they could. But the delayed response of the power company tied the hands of response of the fire department. My family stand behind the fact even through the loss of so much, that the fire department did their job and did it well. We cant thank them enough for all their efforts. Reguardless of the loss it could have been alot worse. Others could easily have been affected and had a great loss as well. Thanks BCFD and all the surrounding departments for all of your help.. I would also like to add that the fire department had to stand there helpless watching a family watch all their belongings be destroyed while they waited for the power company. The fire departments all assisted only because it was so hot they all needed to be able to take breaks so not as to be to worn out and to prevent injury to those helping actually fight this fire..

-- Posted by christina1976 on Sat, Aug 14, 2010, at 12:08 AM

My family and I are the affected family in this article. I want to thank everyone that responded to our needs, especially the fire departments that responded. Brazil Fire department was at the scene within moments, and every effort was made to save our home. An excessive delay in getting the power off was I'm sure a major factor in the loss. That needs to be addressed in a proper manor. for all that feel there were to many departments at the scene you were not there and watch them work in the extreme heat. Our firefighters could not have extinguished the fire laying in the street from heat exhaustion. All communities should take pride in there respective units. Without every firefighter at the scene the fire could have easily spread to the surrounding homes. Thank you all. I just hope all this noise doesn't cause injury or even death by delaying response to a fire because a few people are raising idiots.

-- Posted by alwaysblessed2 on Sat, Aug 14, 2010, at 8:02 AM

there has been a lot of diagreements both pro and con and I wont second guess anyones work ethinic on such a unbearable day,I am sure every fire fighter who was there did their utmost best,but the fact of the matter is simply 80 to 90% of fires are generally total loses,the important thing is no one died from this unfortunate situation,and as to the arguement could depts use more trainning well sure they can,but most of these people have private lives and jobs other than firefighting and as for the Brazil fire dept they are under maned and some of thir equipment needs replacing some time ago

-- Posted by dovelw on Sat, Aug 14, 2010, at 10:51 AM

Am I reading a couple of these comments correctly? Someone is actually complaining that there were "too many" firefighters on the scene? LMAO That is some funny stuff right there!

I'll tell you what. If my house ever catches fire, I hope they send every department from 18 counties to come and put the flames out.

Seriously? Too many departments were there? I think someone has been drinking too much red Kool-aid, to be honest.

-- Posted by olmedic on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 11:18 AM

Support your local Fire Department....They STILL make house calls....Even if it isn't in their home area!

-- Posted by dude1 on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM


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