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School budget narrowly passed

Tuesday, September 14, 2010

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Ron Scherb
The 2011 budget for the Clay Community School Corporation has passed.

During its Monday evening special meeting, the Clay Community School Board of Trustees voted 3-2, with Ron Scherb and Forrest Buell voting against the motion. Board members Dottie King and Rob Miller were not present.

"This budget maintains our current staffing," Business Manager Mike Fowler said. "As long as we continue on the current path we are on, as long as the state doesn't make anymore cuts, then we should be able to make it."

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Forrest Buell
Though discussion continued on the budget by board members, two members felt that the budget was not up to par.

"I thought there would be more discussion on the budget," Scherb said. "Because of that, I won't be able to accept this budget tonight."

Buell agreed with Scherb, and voiced his own concerns regarding the money that is spent by the corporation per pupil based on location.

"The Clay City people pay more taxes," he said. "The money should go where the taxes go."

There were questions raised by Buell concerning the money spent for the Elementary Building Renovation project and where that money fits into the budget, as well as a break down of the Rainy Day Fund.

However, the vote did pass with a motion from Jennifer Kaelber and a second from Amy Adams.

The next meeting of the Clay Community School Board of Trustees will be 7:30 p.m., Oct. 14, in the Auditeria at Clay City Jr./Sr. High School.


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Doc voted 'no'? You kidding me? And he's still asking the same questions about fund distribution? You think he forgets what the finance guy reports or forgets that he asked before or just has no other questions?

-- Posted by Gunslinger on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 7:58 AM

How to say this without it coming across as a personal attack which I do not mean it to be. Just a job performance issue that may be occuring. What I'd like to see is a running tally of attendance of board members. Saying I was not there just does not cut it when they are challenged about this outcome. For example, The Times has reported quite a few times that Dr King has not been in attendance here lately. Maybe her duties at SMWC have put her in the position not to be able to give her board position its due? This is something that may need to be addressed by her supporters or her? Not saying anything about her job when she is there but if she isn't there, how can she do the job?

BUT on other hand, while I don't know all the details of the budget nor do I disagree that it wasn't given its due diligence, Dr Buell's reasoning about Clay City area's people paying more taxes so should get more of the budget, just does not hold water when working with public school system. There are many individuals who make more money and have larger pieces of property in all areas of the county and they can't ask that students in their families get a bigger piece "of the pie" just because they contribute more into the school's finds. The public school system just isn't set up that way but to provide education distributed equally to all there who need it. If parents don't think their children are getting all they need it's ultimately their job to find a way to get it in or outside the classroom.

When the caps on property tax were put into place and the local funding for county infrastructure shifted to be based on income, it already skewed the burden to those who made more money and from those who had more property. The only way to distribute the funding is equally to each child in the community who needs it for the betterment of the entire community. If sections want to break off, fine; but having to fund two smaller corporations will cost a whole lot more per child...this type of argument just speaks of selfishness and not promotion of literacy for all the children in the county. When those taxpayers ALSO put their money where their mouths are and back countywide funding of a county library system, THEN I might feel as if they truly value education to want more of it in their specific school. The availability of a library at preschool age would do a whole lot more than many things we do in the schools as it would allow more school aged children to already be addicted to reading.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 8:04 AM

Mr. Buell! 75% of the assessed value of proprty in clay county is north of state road 42

-- Posted by grays on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 8:05 AM

Now that is interesting grays...where did you get that number from?

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 11:23 AM

sayitloud, their proof reader took the day off..........again.

-- Posted by I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 11:45 AM

Proud of my Country: You could get that information from the County Assessors office or the County Auditors office. Think of this--nearly all of the counties industry is located north of SR42, also the vast majority of the population lives north of SR42, therefore it makes sense that a high percentage of the total assessed value that determines the tax base is indeed north of SR42. I believe their is a common misperception that agricultural property makes up the highest percentage of the total assessed value of the county, this is not the case. The County Auditors office can give you that information. As for Dr. Buell's comment about the people of Clay City paying more taxes, I believe that actually, the taxes collected north of SR42 are probably subsidizing the Clay City Schools.I could be wrong on that, but I don't think so.

-- Posted by open minded on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 1:37 PM

I agree with Jenny Moore, where were the other 2 board members? I've noticed that Dr. King has missed numerous meetings in the last several months. If her job prohibits her from attending the meetings then maybe she should resign and let someone else finish her term. Also, where was the new member Mr. Miller?. Maybe he had a legitimate excuse for not being present. It just seems to me that the meeting in which you pass the budget would be one of if not the most important meetings of the year. Nothing personal, I just think they should be there. I know that 2 members of the County Council work at Great Dane and they each take vacation time to attend the Council's budget meetings, which I believe takes 2 to 3 days.

-- Posted by open minded on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 2:27 PM

Thank you open minded.....I appeciate the information. I really was just curious because I never thought of it in that respect. I have been enlightened. And no, I'm not being a smarty pants.

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 2:59 PM

Which group pays the most taxes has nothing to do with public education. Education is for the benefit of all. I also doubt that most of the county tax dollars are collected south of SR42. I have to agree that Mrs.King misses too many meetings but she has too many "issues" in the corporation to resign. Why isn't the budget posted in the newspaper along with the story for all to see? It is public information isn't it?

-- Posted by patriotgames on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 10:55 PM

patriotgames, the proposed budget was advertised , as required under the law by the corporation, in the classified ads of the Brazil Times on August 18th.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 1:48 AM

I have to disagree with Jenny on this division of funds. The following is based on data from the 2009 county budget available on the DLGF website and the ADM that was reported by the CCSC to the DOE from the Indiana DOE website.

I agree that the majority of the AV in the county is located north of SR42, however, so are the majority of the students.

Totaling the AV of the townships in Clay County, minus Lewis Township that is not in the corporation, north of SR42 yields $515,676,722 while south comes in at $209,653,581 for a total of $725,330,303 AV to support the corporation.

The ADM for both Clay City Schools was 803, for the north 3631 and the total for the corporation was 4434.

Each student in the corporation was supported by $163,583.74 in AV, however, when that is broken down by the north and south, the south's contribution per student to the overall AV (total of township AV divided by total ADM of Clay City Schools) equals $261,087.90 and the north contributes $142,020.58 for each student served.

As each $100 dollars of AV is taxed equally to support the school corporation, I can see Dr. Buell's point.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 3:05 AM

Should anyone care to discuss the disparity of educational opportunity between Clay City High School and Northview in person, I'll meet you at the next Clay City home football game. Why should the taxpayers from the south subsidize programs in the north that are not available to their students? Shall we look at the differences academics and facilities, too? I'm going to ask, doesn't the student from Clay City High School face the same world situation upon leaving that school the Northview student does or the same challenges to get into a college and succeed there, yet due to their zip code the Northview student had more opportunities for education.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 3:24 AM

Mr. Southworth. Thank you for that last post. You know most people don't understand, or care to know. They think Clay City people just pit against the CCSC because of what ever reason. In fact, CC folk don't have an issue w/ northview, they just want what is coming to them. CC is notorious for getting whatever is left over. In regards to the tax money, you are right, most industry, etc is located in the north. However, per capita households, the CC people pay their taxes, work each day, and receive very little of the assistance that the county provides. So, for the most part Buell is right. It is a pretty big chunk that comes from Clay City. CC realizes that a football area is not a fight worth having, for the most part, equal opportunity in the classroom is the real shame here. I applaud Mr. Scherb and Mr. Buell. Why just rubber stamp every budget or idea that comes across? This corporation spends a tremendous amount of money, that requires some checks and balances. We voted these people in to tend to the day to day needs of this corporation. They need to do it!

-- Posted by __2--- on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 8:14 AM

CORRECTION.....

I didn't include Jackson Township in the combined AV for the northern part of the county and have no way to isolate the students from there from the ADM, so I had add in that AV of $46,863,961.

Those paragraphs should read:

Totaling the AV of the townships in Clay County, minus Lewis Township that is not in the corporation, north of SR42 yields $562,540,683 while south comes in at $209,653,581 for a total of $772,194,264 AV to support the corporation.

The ADM for both Clay City Schools was 803, for the north 3631 and the total for the corporation was 4434.

Each student in the corporation was supported by $174,152.97 in AV, however, when that is broken down by the north and south, the south's contribution per student to the overall AV (total of township AV divided by total ADM of Clay City Schools) equals $261,087.90 and the north contributes $154,927.21 of taxable AV for each student served.

Additional Comment: That shows a difference in supporting AV of $106,160.69 per student that the portion of the county south contributes for taxation over what the north portion contributes.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 10:22 AM

What is AV and ADM? Why can't folks just spell words out anymore, at least once so we can all get the jist of it? Are we always in that big of a hurry?

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 10:54 AM

xyz123 - One of the arguments presented during the debate on the elementary schools was that the higher number allows a choice.

In the high schools, there are more choices at Northview because of the number of teachers and classrooms. If you have 3 9th Grade English classes taught by 1 teacher, you have a choice of three periods to work into a schedule and 1 teacher to make the presentation of the material.

If you have 6 periods of class taught by 2 teachers, you have 12 scheduling options and a choice of instructors. Teachers present the material differently, teachers are individuals not robots of the same make and model. Some students can learn the same material from one teacher better than another solely because of the differing presentation.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 10:57 AM

Proud of My Country - Sorry, you forget, at times, that everyone isn't as familiar as you are, especially at 3 am.

AV= Assessed Value - the value placed on something for purposes of taxation

ADM= Average Daily Membership - students enrolled in a school as of a certain date in the school year for the purpose of making caculations, set for the year as daily, weekly, and monthly attendence and enroolment is constantly changing.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 11:04 AM

Proud of My Country - I should have said that as I forget that not everyone is as familiar with some of the terminology as some of us, especially when writing at 3 AM.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 1:23 PM

Thank you Leo.

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 4:13 PM

Proud of My Country - sometimes when a person jots a quick response and hits "send", then re-reads it later it just doesn't sound right....lol. It says what they wrote, but doesn't sound like what they meant. Best to change or correct it before someone shows up and punches them in the nose!

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 4:28 PM

To Dr. Buell and all of the simple minded people,

If you feel that the Clay City schools are being slighted, then leave the Clay Community School Corporation. It's been the same argument through the years, Clay City students don't get the money or the same opportunities as Northview students. How do you propose this "equality"? I would say on average, the graduating class at Clay City is around 60 students. Common sense would tell you that it wouldn't be economically feasible to have a Chemistry 3 class with a handful of students. Truth be told the thing that would make the most sense is to bus the 240 or so Clay City students to Northview, which averages 1000 students. This would eliminate any claims of discrimination based on zip code. All students would then have the same opportunities. If you don't like the path being taken, then take the path least traveled. Create your own school corporation, and control your own destiny. In all honesty, that is what should have happened years ago! If you don't like these options, then keep your mouth shut! If you don't want to change your destiny, then you don't have any room to complain.

-- Posted by AngryAmerican on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 9:36 PM

Angry American, you sure do seem angry. Well, as you may have noted, I get just a bit angry when people say that we have had equal opportunity in our high schools. Jenny Moore is right, the money is pooled but many people like to claim that the money mostly came from the north and that Clay City was supported when the numbers say exactly the opposite. That is the history up to the 2010 budget, but it is now moot because money is now collected at the state level and distributed down to the corporations by ADM mostly but using demographic factors and need too.A large portion of the disparity was eradicated with that move, but now the state controls how much is received into the General Fund instead of by local authority setting a levy.

Academic equality can be achieved by a much more cost-effective means than burning fuel to move people, you can attend college courses from any college sitting where you are now via the Internet. The CCSC can use the same technology to teach the same class to students sitting in two buildings or even at home. That is being looked into at both the state and local corporate level.

Other than that, you appear to believe that the First Amendment applies only to you or to people who agree with your viewpoint. I, Sir or Madame, find that offensive as a veteran who fought to give foreign people that right and as an American.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 3:06 AM

Angry American we pay are taxes so we have a right to voice our thoughts on the matter. Is it fair for a child to be forced to change school because of a class they need for college? No the school should offer class thru internet. It would benefit all kids. Also who wants there child on the bus for 1 1/2 or more to bus them to Northview. Get real.

-- Posted by kd323 on Wed, Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM


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