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Public provides input to council

Thursday, November 18, 2010

Sam Glover
Bell Killion wanted to make her point as clear as possible for the Brazil City Council Wednesday.

While she understands times are tough, economically speaking, she isn't thrilled about having a horse housed in the home next to hers.

"I lived on a farm and I understand the love for animals," Killion said. "But there's got to be some kind of end in sight. Large animals don't need to be in city limits. That's why they have city limits."

Killion was one of several residents who attended the council's work session regarding the city's current animal ordinance.

She said the home next to hers has housed not only the horse, but chickens as well.

The owner of the horse was also at the meeting and told the council members due to expenses, they have temporarily housed the horse at the property.

But Killion stated she hoped the council would take action soon, hoping the ordinance could be amended.

"I'm not the only person in the city with this issue," she said, also offering up other city ordinances regarding animals.

The session, Brazil Mayor Ann Bradshaw said, was intended to receive public opinion on the issue. Council President Steve Lamb was unable to attend the meeting.

"We want your views," she said, pointing out concerns she has heard from residents regarding farm animals within city limits.

Council member Sam Glover explained to the audience the current animal ordinance does not prohibit any animals but pigs within city limits.

He stressed the council planned to look into the issue.

"We've got to set limits and see what can be done," he said.

Area resident Trey Adams also attended the meeting. He said his property was one of the areas the city recently annexed. He asked the council to take this into account.

Council member Brad Deal said as far as he was concerned, Adams' property was not an issue, but stressed he agreed with Glover regarding the ordinance.

Brad Deal
Deal said the issue was one of respect for not only neighbors, but the animals.

"There are a lot of things we have to consider," Deal said.

Brazil resident and Clay County 4-H member Mannah Mace provided a statement for the council.

Mace explained she shows rabbits in 4-H, adding many other 4-H'rs show rabbits and live within the city limits. She said she hoped the council would take this into consideration.

"I'm glad somebody from 4-H came," Glover said. "Even though we're a city, we're still rural.

"I hope everybody sees by the overview, what we're dealing with."

"You've got your work cut out for you," Killion quipped. "Everybody's got an agenda. You do have a lot to consider."

Council member Bill Lovett agreed.

"Some people are going to lose and some people are going to win," he said. "You can't please everybody."

Regardless, Glover said he believed the current ordinance needed changing.

"Currently, what we have is inadequate," he said. "I think we need to do something to tweak our ordinance."

Council members said they hoped to have more meetings with the public regarding the issue.

The council meets regularly on the second Wednesday of each month in Council Chambers at City Hall. Its next scheduled meeting is set for 7 p.m., Dec. 8.

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Brazil has a drug problem that is completely out of control and this is what they are worried about? Figures.

-- Posted by I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:25 PM

Well if you lived next door to a smell like that, you might think its pretty important. We moved out of the city, and in large part, due to barking dogs. There is an ordinance against that, but they dont enforce it.

-- Posted by lifehasitsmoments on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:42 PM

Sounds like to me everybody is cry babies in here anymore do you eat at burger king where its your way all the time wake up and lets deal with the real issues we face like getting better paying jobs that are permanent and not hire temp workers where they dont have to pay the workers a fair wage with health benefits. what irritates me more than anything our city and county government gives them tax abatements so they can shovel more money in their pockets. when we do that we shortchange ourselves and we end up with pothole roads and overcharged utilities. isnt it about time we changed that city hall

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 12:07 AM

Brazil Citizen, YOU would be upset too if you could not take your child outside the majority of the summer because your neighbor's house reeks of cat and dog waste. I do not expect things to go my way all the time, but I DO expect to be able to enjoy my own backyard, front yard, and home (because we cannot open windows on that side of the house).

Yes, there are many important issues at stake when you live in a community, but these each have to be tackled individually. Should we not make an effort to make some "small" things better, or should we just let all these things go so we can tackle one major issue every few years?

Furthermore, PEOPLE, this does not have anything to do with a drug problem! We all know there is a drug problem in this area...but it's not part of every issue that comes up. Stop beating a dead horse.

-- Posted by Larah1 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 1:01 AM

There are certain areas of the city that are zoned as farm. Use youry zoning ordinance to determine where you can have animals .. If this were done it would solve the problem. I am sure the adams property is zoned farming and where bell lives is not zoned farm.

-- Posted by grays on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 4:56 AM

This is an issue close to my heart as we moved to this rural area in order to raise our animals in peace. We were able to research the zoning ahead of time which was an advantage. We had lived in southern California but were basically zoned out of existence for our lifestyle. It may be worth the time to simply use the square footage of the property to determine how many animals may live there. Separating pet problems from livestock problems should also be considered. Neglect of the animals or cleanup are really separate issues from the number allowed on a property. Animals in the city limits may have to be "grandfathered" in if the zoning changed from the date the property was purchased. Many challenges and I wish you well with this issue.

-- Posted by cmountjoy on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 7:09 AM

The real issue is the people and not the animals. Irresponsible people do not properly care for their animals, such as feeding them and cleaning up after them. Selfish & lazy people do not care about their neighbors and would probably offend them some other way if not with the animals. Maybe selfish & lazy people would let trash and junk build up in their yard, as well as not care for their lawn. Unfortunately, the animals take the brunt in this case. If we don't like the smell of a neglected barnyard or yard full of poop, imagine the animal living in it. Could you imagine being chained to a small area with your own feces surrounding you? Wouldn't you bark for help? So again, it's not the animals. It's the irresponsible, selfish, lazy people who go unchecked for neglecting to care for them while we focus on the animals. If the city is not enforcing the ordinances already in place, what makes anyone think passing a new ordinance will do any good? Bust a few neglectors with existing laws and people will sit up and take notice.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 8:32 AM

My neighbor has dogs, and I'm glad he does. I look at it as a little bit of added security.

Dogs bark, so what? The trains that used to travel through this town made noises that could be heard halfway across town. Didn't bother me in the least. In fact, I kind of miss those sounds.

I'm more concerned about the eyesores on people's property than the animals. As long as the animals are properly cared for, and the property being maintained, leave 'em alone. That's all the local animal shelters need, more animals dumped on them.

PS...remember the animal shelters this time of year, and donate a bag of food or supply items.

-- Posted by ClayCountyGuy on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:24 AM

I agree with HUN .. the problem starts with enforcing the laws currently in effect. Until that happens, this 'meeting of the minds' is a joke.

I hope they find a resolution and stick with it.

-- Posted by Emmes on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:27 AM

I agree with cmountjoy that "Neglect of the animals or cleanup are really separate issues from the number allowed on a property." or the kind of animal for that matter. If the neighbors cats and dogs smell so bad that you cannot go out in your yard I would suggest calling the Health dept. If the owner of the horse cleans up after it I see no problem with having a horse next door. They are beautiful animals.

-- Posted by indianamama on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 12:46 PM

Some smaller communites do allow for 4-H animals in city limts as long as health codes are met. Once the 4-H person is done animals then have to go. Just take your time Brazil and do it right.

-- Posted by coachB on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 2:00 PM

To all who want to live "without" the animal problem, barking dogs, horses, and other farm animals next door...pack it up and move away from this small town who has ALWAYS been rurual!

There is NO REASON that an ordance should be passed that bans certain animals from living anywhere.

If you have a dog...they are going to bark and make some kind of noise. If you have horses/cows/larger animals...they are going to poo and pee wherever they are.

I think that if there is an ordance passed on larger animals being banned...then we might as well make an ordance stating that NO ANIMALS are allowed to be in the area.

Come on Brazil....if you don't like the Rurual/County/Country type of feeling...I suggest moving to the big city areas...New York, etc.

-- Posted by JQuick on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 3:58 PM

"If the neighbors cats and dogs smell so bad that you cannot go out in your yard I would suggest calling the Health dept."

The health department was contacted. We were informed that they could do nothing, and that we should contact the city.

The fact is that we should be considerate of one another. Those who WANT to have these types of animals (and especially in large quantities, I might add) should move out into the country. Rural or not, this is the CITY and it's more crowded. If you want to have six dogs and 15 cats, move to a location where it will not bother others.

I don't have a problem with those who want to have and enjoy animals as companions, but when it's interfering with the lives of the other people around them, something needs to be done. When people are dragging in fleas from their yards and stepping in cat feces on the way to the mailbox and they don't own any outside animals--there's a problem.

-- Posted by Larah1 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 7:22 PM

Larah 1- Your piggy neighbors will find some other way to be obnoxious to you if they get rid of their animals. A junk car in the front yard, weeds growing wildly, ugly yard ornaments, horrible paint color on the house, blasting music, loud motorcycle, trash strewn about, loud domestic arguments, etc. are all future choices for them. If you have spoken to them about how you believe their animals affect your life, and they haven't cleaned up after them, then the piggy people are your main problem.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 7:43 PM

I agree with JQuick. If you don't like it here feel free to live somewhere else.

-- Posted by th1953 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:12 PM

this is a city not the country. large animals i.e. cows, goats, sheep, pigs, horses, buffalo etc. belong on a farm or on land in the county where they can move about.

-- Posted by Tracy Jones on Sat, Nov 20, 2010, at 12:04 AM

* This wasn'nt about dogs and cats.

* This is about a nasty, hateful neighbor that can't keep her nose on her side of the property line.

* Maybe I want to raise my own chickens, legally within city limits, so I don't get salmonella from a store bought egg?

* People have chickens in New York City, as well as horses.

-- Posted by reddevil on Sun, Nov 21, 2010, at 3:42 PM

REDDEVIL, I had to check out your comment "people have chickens in NYC, as well as horses". While I may not have found the source of your information, I did find this:

"New York City, NY. Chickens are considered pets under the Health Code. Unlimited number of hens allowed; no roosters or other types of poultry. Code mentions cleanliness of chicken area must be kept clean."

Notice the "cleanliness of chicken area must be kept clean" .. which is basically what the neighbors find so offensive.

Interesting that NYC considers chickens as pets. Whodathunk?

-- Posted by Emmes on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 12:20 PM

I use to have a pet next to me in city limits, I use to feed it everyday. I loved that animal, my kids even loved it....I use to bring leftovers from Thanksgiving past and that ole stallion use to chomp it right up. Then one day this horse asked me for three fiddy! And then I found out it wasn't a horse at all! It stood 8 stories tall and it turned out to be the Lochness Monster! I said, you crazy lochness monster, I aint giving you no three fiddy...I mean $3.50? Not in this economy....that crazy Lochness monster tried to trick me!

-- Posted by AvidHunter09 on Thu, Nov 25, 2010, at 11:49 PM

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