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Supt. Schroeder retires abruptly

Tuesday, December 28, 2010

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Dan Schroeder
In a shocking move, Clay Community School Corporation Supt. Dan Schroeder announced his retirement from public education during Tuesday's special meeting of the Clay Community School Board of Trustees.

Without discussion, a motion was made by Vice President Tina Heffner and seconded by board member Amy Adams to accept the retirement, which was then unanimously approved.

According to a press release provided to The Brazil Times, Schroeder's retirement will become effective Dec. 31, 2010.

He started his career as a social studies teacher in 1978 "and took on the positions of increasing responsibility such as assistant principal, principal and director of instruction." He later accepted a position as superintendent in 1995, then came to Clay Community Schools on July 1, 2006, after being superintendent at South Putnam School Corporation.

Schroeder has not ruled out the possibility of returning to public education in some capacity in the future, according to the press release.

Upon Schroeder's retirement, the board voted unanimously to move Assistant Supt. of Curriculum Kim Tucker into the Interim Superintendents position.

"I have confidence in (Tucker) and I believe she will do a fine job leading the corporation," President Rob Miller said.

According to Miller, the open superintendent position will be posted sometime in February or March, in order to open the pool for all potential candidates because many are still currently under contract.

Though the news of Schroeder's retirement is a bit abrupt, Tucker will attempt to make the change in position a smooth transition.

"I appreciate the opportunity and the board's confidence in permitting me to assist with the successful transition with the leadership of the corporation," she said. "I look forward to working with the (board) and the schools by continuing in furthering the success of our schools and the academic achievement of our students."

Tucker will begin her new role Jan. 1, 2011.

The next meeting of the Clay Community School Board of Trustees will be 7:30 p.m., Jan. 11, 2011, in the media center at North Clay Middle School.


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hmmmmmmm?

-- Posted by otis66 on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 7:43 AM

Exactly my sentiments ... wonder what his other options were? Or if he had any!! ;-)

-- Posted by Gunslinger on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 8:18 AM

Just more evidence that our school board in out of control and not making decisions in the best interest of our children, school or community. It is a shame that Dr. Schroeder has been the target of the new board. He did a wonderful job while at Clay Community.

-- Posted by makingadifference on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 8:41 AM

I believe that Ms. Tucker will do a better job! It was not my experience that Dr. Schroeder did a "wonderful job".

-- Posted by involvedmom on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM

Let's just pray that this won't become a game of "Who is our next superintendent", like we've seen with our chief of police.

-- Posted by Plankton on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 9:57 AM

It will be very easy to speculate what has led to this outcome. The one constant with this position has been a school board who operates with personal agendas. We had a very good superintendent in Tom Rohr, but he was chased off by a select group of board members. I served on various committees with Dr. Schroeder and found him to be very passionate and very professional. He had a very good grasp of the needs of our schools. He was very instrumental in the process and near completion of upgrading our schools. I can only hope that this decision was that of his own and not what I expect.

-- Posted by cubbiefan on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 11:40 AM

Dr. Dan Schroeder was a great guy who had a passion for the community and schools. I personally witnessed him travel to many events and support our school system. He will be missed. Why he left, who knows?

I would love to see a new, young, enthused leader for our school system. I would ask that the school board look into hiring Dr. Kirk Freeman. I would also ask him to possibly apply and show interest in taking the reigns of our school board. Dr. Freeman is an excellent mentor of mine and a talented educator with many credentials.

God Bless those who are deciding.

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 12:36 PM

I too, would advocate for Dr. Kirk Freeman to be our next superintendent. However, I believe Kirk would not subject himself to the ineptness and selfishness of our board.

-- Posted by cubbiefan on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 1:25 PM

So plankton are you saying if someone was proven to have stolen money and done various acts unbecoming of an officer you think the city should take no action and let it continue, if so no wonder Brazil is where its at today, ripped off for many years and lacking funds to improve the city, thats a recipe for epic fail i hope his is not a majority opinion,citizen taxpayers deserve better.

-- Posted by Ombudsman on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 4:19 PM

You know the saddest part of all of this. We had 2 Clay County people, 2 Clay County people that have dedicated their lives to educating young people, and 2 Clay County people that nearly everyone in Clay County trusts. Mr. Greg Linton, now the Superintendent in Owen County School Corporation and Mr. Mike Mogan, Superintendent in the Shakamak School Corporation. These 2 men were tremendous members of the Clay County School Corporation at one time and they were ran off. Nobody cares more about Clay County Children than the people of Clay County. Can we not find someone in Clay County that would be able to do the job?

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 4:54 PM

Hey cubbiefan- you got it wrong. The superintendent is not supposed to take the reins of the board. It is the board that is the deciding body that has the reins of the superintendent. The voters have the reins of the board. If you don't like a board member's actions, don't vote him in next time. But don't ever think the board is run by the superintendent. The voters run that board.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 5:38 PM

Sorry cubbiefan- I meant that for unsolicited tidbits.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 5:39 PM

electriceye:

Just because someone is from Clay County doesn't mean that they are the best candidate for the position. If I am not mistaken Greg Linton left because he did not like the way things were being run here. I firmly beleive that the middle school was at its best when he was at the helm there. I cannot speak for him, but it may take a lot of convincing to get him to return. It is also a possibility that Dr Schroeder left for the same reason. Who knows?

As far as Mike Mogan goes...he had a good number of complaints about a few chronic poor performing teachers at Jackson Township that he did not correct year after year but of course instead of addressing his inadequate supervision at Jackson, those higher up promoted him. Just shows that hiring from within from a small group of people in a small town promotes too many favors and buddy system politics as he did no better in central administration. IMHO he hadn't learned how to separate his connections of church, relatives, and community and supervise and correct poor performance and reward good performance.

The best thing he did was go to another area where hopefully he had fewer ties so he could respond correctly when someone under him wasn't doing their job adequately. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that he wasn't a "nice" person, a good son, or father. Just that he wasn't able to compartmentalize those relationships and supervise adequately in a town that I figure he grew up in since he had so many relatives here. I wish him the best.

In a small town situation it just takes a special person who can fairly and repeatedly take appropriate action to keep their subordinates on the job, even if they are former school friends or fellow church members. It takes someone who can put their "niceness" on a shelf at times to make sure that they are doing a good job that is always the best decision for the students of the corporation. The students are who all school employees should be working for and their superintendent and all the administration from there down should be able to recognize this.

Unfortunately not all those who are making decisions that affect the students are doing this.

When looking for a new superintendent, I firmly believe that the BEST candidate be hired from a search that is advertised far and wide so the pol of applicants is as large as possible. In general, a potential employee who has only seen the way one corporation is run and only attended the local university eliminates all the other ideas from various places.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 7:12 PM

What do you expect? You have a brand new school board member serving as President of the school board. That in itself would be reason enough for any competent superintendent to retire. Dr. Schroeder you will be missed. We should encourage our current school board to retire with him.

-- Posted by Lafin on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 7:38 PM

OK Jenny, since you have opened up the conversation in such a way. You know for fact as to the reasoning that Mr. Linton left? You know for fact as complaints against Mr. Mogan for any reason? Once again, you have given simply an opinion without having facts. You are too opinionated as to how schools should function. How many teachers at Jackson Township did Mr. Mogan hire? Mr. Fritz was a hire by Mr. Mogan and see how things have turned out.

Jenny, why can you not see the importance of loyalty to your people? You think that we should look outside for the superintendent position. Where a person lives is where their loyalty lies. Where do our top administrators live currently? The care of the job is important and the care of those responsible for the job are also important. Does it really matter who we hire, you are never happy? I guess it begs the question, why don't you teach or be an administrator? Surely someone with your knowledge and expertise can help lead our community. Surely someone with your knowledge and expertise can volunteer to go into the classrooms and help.

Perhaps it is time that we have a pep session for academics, not just athletics. Perhaps it is also time to have a pep session for the people that we have entrusted to educated our children. The time that my children were in CCSC, they were never told that they cannot do something by anyone, not a teacher, counselor, custodian, principal, or anyone else. Perhaps the people that work with students on a daily basis are getting tired of being told by you and others that they cannot do something. Obviously by attendance rates, graduation rates, ISTEP scores, and the new ECA scores, they can.

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 7:50 PM

Lafin: I agree! Why was Miller elected as President when he is brand new? ... Never even having served on any board that I recall. WOW!

-- Posted by whynotlook on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 9:47 PM

I don't always agree with Jenny but this time I think she is right. I have heard over 50 percent of the systems teachers live outside the county. So where the person lives is irrelevant. The important thing is to have a super that can make the hard deciison. It seems like it has been a couple of decades since we have had that in the super position. They just don't make 'em like Jesse Pitts anymore.

-- Posted by seventyx7 on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 9:52 PM

I wish Dr. Schroeder the best of luck for the future and thank him for the service rendered to Clay Community Schools.

However, it is my opinion that, while he worked diligently, he came into this corporation saddled with the previous superintendant's poorly devised building renovation plan that was started from the school building's point of view instead of from the corporation's overview, a school board that had an agenda of renovating buildings even when that was the most costly and short-term approach to ensuring that every future student would have a seat in the best possible facility, and several high-level employees that do not know how to manage or analysis data, answer questions put to them by the public and that his main failing within the corporation is that he did not take a stand to correct those things. The Clay Community Schools Corporation and the taxpayers that support it will pay dearly when all of the elementary schools must be replaced within two decades of each other along with continuing the upkeep of the high schools, the middle school, and the support facilities. My grand children will probably be among those that foot that bill.

Whoever is selected to fill the position of Superintendant, I pray that they come with an open mind, the ability to reason with all of the public vice only those who stand in agreement with them, the wisdom to meet arguments with facts that can be verified instead of silence or opinion, the ability to assess the corporation from an overview instead of viewing every problem as something that is isolated with no bearing on every other facet of the corporation's operation, and the foresight to look at decisions and envision where that decision will lead the corporation ten, twenty, and even one hundred years in the future.

God speed, Dr. Schroeder, fair winds and following seas wherever your course is set.

Sincerely,

Leo L. Southworth

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 10:02 PM

Why was the current board president elected? As the Board president is elected by the members of the board, I'm inclined to speculate that this new board member impressed a majority of the board members with his attitude, knowledge, and demeanor.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 10:07 PM

seventyx7, you have stated, as do too many often in these postings, "you HEARD". It takes some work, but facts can be found. Too often when you start something with, "I heard", then it is often not true. I find it a challenge to comprehend that where they are from doesn't matter. What really matters is that they care enough about the community in which they are supposed to oversee the education of our children. How can you show that much when you feel the community isn't good enough to live in.

Another point that I would like to make, is essentially an observation that I had the unfortunate pleasure of witnessing recently. My family and I were out eating at a local restaraunt and had to witness two adults giving the high school principal an earful while he was out to dinner with his family. That was totally out of line for these people to do that. They have the opportunity every school day to contact the school and air their concerns. This poor principal was amazingly patient and polite, yet the two adults causing the commotion continued to be disrespectful. We need to remember that no matter the position, they have a right to have time with their family. I guarantee that they will not complain to you about the work you are doing, or do it when you are with your family.

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 10:17 PM

Wow! It is amazing all the comments on here slamming and supporting individuals. It has been my experience that most of the above comments have more to do with the writers personal agendas then with factual data. I wonder if these writers really know about the people they support and demonize. My guess is .... NOT ! It is clear that the above writers do not know the current job performance of several of the people which they speak.

-- Posted by patriotgames on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 10:23 PM

GO HOOSIERS - Do you know me personally or do you base your comment about me on the less than 1% of my viewpoint concerning the school corporation's operation that I choose to write about because I think we can do better?

The school corporation does a lot of things exceedingly well, and there are a lot of people within it who will go above and beyond for students, parents, and, I'm sure, any stranger who walks in off of the street. If a child misses a bus from school, there are principals who will transport them to your front door if they have to do so, if a child doesn't have clean clothes, the staff will find some. I have worked closely with Mr. Kitka, at North Clay, on behalf of one student to the point where I was ready to give but Pete wouldn't and I have flatly told a relative who was a student who was wanting to quit high school that I would find a way to put her in jail so I would know that she would get a GED in Mr' Rayle's office when he came up with a better idea of her attending Cumberland Academy.

I have disagreed with some things as we can and should do better, but anyone who accuses me of disagreeing with everything that the school corporation or the employees thereof simply does not know me at all.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 10:25 PM

Every person associated with the school corporation has an interest in it as a stakeholder no matter where they live. That means every student, every parent, every employee and every taxpayer whose money is expended on its operation, including Jane Doe from Kokomo and Y. N. Dot from Anywhere, USA as local, state, and Federal tax dollars all comprise the corporation's budget. Conceded, the student's stake is by far the largest, person by person, because of the effect the corporation and its schools will have on their future. I'd have to say that the employees' is ext because the corporation is the basis of their livelihood, but where they reside is of little consequence.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 10:38 PM

Leo,

You cannot tell me that Jane Doe from Kokomo cares how they are doing things in Clay Community Schools. Any reasonable person is concerned about how thing are done in their community only. Does anyone really care what they are doing in Terre Haute? I only care about how the schools are preparing our kids for college, work, or the military and how competetive the kids can be when they leave CCSC. Where you live is a huge part of whether you care more or less.

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 2:08 AM

I guess I should comment on-topic here, but the real question in my mind is even with 25 comments (26 now), this article is not found if you click on the "most viewed" tab, or the "most discussed" tab on the brazil times web page. It must just be a computer glitch, unless...

-- Posted by almostfootballfree on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 6:21 AM

Oh, sorry, that glitch must be fixed, or maybe I am just slow to notice I guess. Either way, small town politics is just too intriguing to ignore, isn't it???

-- Posted by almostfootballfree on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 7:22 AM

How many of you have ever attended a school board meeting? How many of you have ever approached a board member and discussed their views of our school system. How many of you have ever done anything to educate yourself of the goings on of the decision makers for Clay Schools. Reading the Brazil Times stories and comments doesn't count as knowing what issues are being delt with by the school board members and the corporation. If the majority of voters who cast a vote for the school board members knew what these people really stand for I doubt our board would be made up of the same people.

For many years now our school board has been dominated by a group of people with a personal agenda. Most of which has been in the best interest of the corporation. However, the problems arise from closed minded thinking of the entire board in some areas.

Two things need to happen to give some resolution to this issue:

1. Voters need to seek out information about the board members they are voting for . DO NOT rely on "I Heard". It's usually not even close to the truth.

2. The candidates need to make themselves available to the voters prior to election day. I thank our lucky stars the Leo didn't get elected but he did a good job of letting everyone know where he stood on several key issues.

I too am praying for the person who fills Dr. Schroeders position. They're going to need all the help they can get.

-- Posted by jddriver4960 on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM

electriceye:

I cannot quote what Mr Linton said precisely but it was sometime after health insurance for administrators was modified and something about if people didn't like what was happening in the corporation the answer wasn't to sit around whining. They could decide with their feet and go somewhere else. Shortly after that, he left.

...and yes I had 4 daughters go through Jackson Township Elementary. MOST of the teachers there are great but if your child got one of the few rotten apples, they got short changed for the entire year. We made complaints and then took them to central office when nothing was corrected. In talking to parents with older kids, some of this had been happening for years.

..AND since you bring up loyalty...that is where so many in this corporation are confused. An employee to the school corporation should have his first loyalty to THE STUDENTS. An administrator should have no problem making signs of loyalty via performance evaluations etc on employees who also put students and academics first and foremost. There is no conflict of interest if everyone does this.

AND there are THREE parents at Northview Highschool in the Academic Booster Club who this year organized "academic pep rallies" for each of the classes there starting with the senior class in September. One of those parents no longer has a child at the highschool but like Leo says, she is still a stakeholder in this community. The academic booster club brought in speakers from colleges, the military, and the local business community as well as former Northview students to speak to them about what choices they need to make academically to best prepare for after high school so they will have the most opportunities for a good career and financial stability later in life as well as how to navigate financially and academically.

So don't tell me that I have no loyalty to this community. Each and every person's personal wealth and well being is dependent upon the society's well being and wealth. Each amenity that this community has or doesn't have affects the individual. From property values to police protection. From the number of people on welfare to the income and sales tax rate. If we don't educate our future wage earners sufficiently, we will pay for it by housing and feeding them all their lives.

The next Academic Booster Club Meeting is Tuesday January 11 at 6 PM. I hope to see all those there as I am one of the THREE parents who are not also teachers at the school there....and while you are at it, this county has 5 CASA volunteers while Vigo county has over 130. This is a program where an individual can make a real difference in the life of children in foster care system and be THEIR advocate. Not a parent's or DCS worker's. If you can't work the ABC club into your schedule, get in touch with Lisa Metz at the courthouse and sign up to be a CASA.

I am really tired of people who don't know me saying that I don't care about children and this community. Why is it that there are so many "loyal" people who grew up in this community not involved with what they say is so important? The lives of today's children can be changed in order to improve both their futures and the future of the entire community. I may not have lived in this community all my life, but while I am here, I can do things as a stakeholder and I would do the same in any place I lived.

It's not just Clay County either. In the NY Times this morning there was an article that said that the schools in Shanghai China are now better than in 65 other developed countries. This includes those in the United States. If all of us don't start acting like the stakeholders we are, the end of life as we know it in the US will be here sooner rather than later.

The work of the people in this country got us to the top of the heap and now too many are resting on their rear ends. We have already slid down from the top and only those who realize that personal effort from each individual to improve things for themselves AND others who do not know how to put out their best efforts [like children from generationally poor families who have not had the role models to be the best they can be] we are doomed.

Yes this school corporation does a lot of good things but there is a lot of room for improvement and it will take more than a few board members to initiate a change in both attitude and goal setting. It will take each of us helping individuals and they in turn hopefully in the future can help others.

Like every vote...each is a small percentage but with all people voting, a difference can be made.

I'll get off soapbox now. Have a good day.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 10:29 AM

Back to the article...people come, people go. It's a natural process. Now do I think the (former) Supt. would be resigning if the former board was still running the show? Probably not.

But this happens all the time in many other businesses. Change happens at the very top of responsibilty, and those immediately underneath often leave. It doesn't have to be anything sinister.

Now I'm not being naive here either. Yeah we have a habit of electing strong minded people to our school board who come on the board with personal agendas. I don't know any of the current board members personally, and even though I may know some socially, I don't really know who they are when they go behind the closed doors of an executive session.

Is this more Clay County School Board politics? Maybe. But I don't know for sure. All I do know is that the former board had at least one member on it that I was glad did not run for re-election. Because I do know they put personal relationships ahead of professional ones in the position-filling process.

You know it seems that many on here do not appreciate Leo's or Jenny's opinions about school issues, which is your right. But I do know this about both of them...if they ever were school board members, you would never have to wonder about the decisions they would be making. I have no doubt in my mind, they would do what they saw as best for the students in this community, and with a keen eye on the taxpayers, and not operate on a personal agenda basis. Why wouldn't you want that kind of person on the board? I would think that would be the goal.

I voted for Leo once, and I would happily do so again, and if Jenny ran, I'd vote for her too.

-- Posted by ClayCountyGuy on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 11:44 AM

Electriceye - Where you live and where you work are the two areas you will be most concerned about, but that does not mean that you should be totally unconcerned about where your tax dollars go and how they are being spent there. Remember the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere"? Am I really concerned about what happens in Vigo County of Plainfield schools, even though I have relatives attending there? No, but that doesn't mean that I do not read about them. Did you know that Vigo County is removing the carpeting from their schools to save money? You will never guess that they have the very same architect that recommended carpet replacement in CCSC schools a year earlier "to save money".

Many times, people in a community look only at what is closest to home without looking around. That's like walking twenty five miles looking at your feet. You may not stumble, but without looking at what is ahead of you and watching the horizon for the best way to get to your destination you will end up wasting time and effort having to go around obstacles that you could have avoided.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 3:17 PM

Does the community realize that boards are the "same" people for only two years? Every two years three seats are up for election and two years later four seats are up for election. So the board of today is not the board of last year. Almost 50% of the board members are new, so how can you lump them with the boards of mr. rohr or mr. linton? As critical and nasty as people are of every decision that board makes, it is a wonder that anyone is willing to run for that office. During the last election, the Brazil Times informed the public of four "Meet & Greet" opportunities for the public to meet the candidates and ask them any questions they wanted. How many of you critics attended? Too busy, right? Too busy to run for office yourself, right? Too busy to attend the board meetings, right? But not too busy to rip every decision apart, right? I thought so.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 3:33 PM

jddriver4960 - Everyone has an agenda. Everyone who takes a job of runs for office has an agenda, whether it is to start something, stop something, or maintain the status quo. You will have the opportunity to not vote for me again, of that I can assure you. You may disagree with me and I probably disagree with you on some issues but my agenda is as it has been and always been "maximum education at minimum cost". I don't have a favorite school, a favored group of stakeholders, or a favored way of doing things unless you consider basing decisions on verifiable fact over opinions as such.

Frankly all a person has to do is ask me a question. If I don't have some facts on which to base an opinion, I'll tell them that and get back to them when I do. If I have facts, I'll give my opinion along with the facts I base it upon, given time. Believe me, I have a lot more facts about what I choose to write about than is ever included in my writing. You stated that you disagreed with my position on some issues, however, neither of us know the sum total of the body of fact held by the other. With knowledge of the total body of fact that is held by both of us, one or both might change their minds.

That is why I disagreed with the elementary renovation project. We had 7 fifty-year-old buildings and renovated to get about forty more years of use. People say, but looking across county lines are proven wrong, that they are as big as they can be to educate the demographic of student that attends. So we invested 3/4 of the building cost of a new school that would have had one classroom more than we will have to keep 2 schools for the next forty years, along with the expense of having one more location for maintenance and transportation to travel to every day that school is in session. Near the end of that forty year period, the corporation is going to have to look at its ninety-year-old buildings and figure out how to replace them all.

Along with that, every dollar that is paid in taxes, from whatever source, for education but must be expended on supporting the corporation is not getting to where it does education of the students the most good. I don't think we can have too many teachers, although we can have teachers of the right subject or level in the wrong place and we can have too many teachers of the wrong subject or level for the requirements of our student body. We can have too much plant, too many support personnel, too many administrators, too many locations, too much land , and this list can go on and on. We who are concerned need to be aware and voice our opinions and the facts known to us.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 3:55 PM

Yes Leo I do know you and you haven't changed.All you do is cause problems.99% of the time you complain about the board the one you ran for and lost.Like now this board is cleaning up the mess from the past. They are saving money with some of these moves.The vehicles they are purchasing will save money in the long run.That money will be put back in the school system account.Yes a couple of people lost thousands of dollars out of thier pocket but that is ok.The insurance move will do the same.There will be other moves made just give them time.Talk to you later

-- Posted by GO HOOSIERS on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 5:35 PM

GO HOOSIERS, there is not one subject that Leo L. Southworth is not an expert on. Just ask him.

-- Posted by I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 6:35 PM

GO HOOSIERS - Do not yet have all of the data that would prove that buying vehicles for employee use will, in fact, save the corporation and neither does the school board members. I'm undecided on that and so is the board. A couple of employees stand to lose money? Isn't that money over and beyond their compensation, actually a windfall at the expense of education? Same with the insurance stipend for administrators, it was a windfall at the expense of education. Insurance is a benefit, but if an employee does not choose to use it because they do not need it and it brings a cost to them that they wish not to pay, why would any employer take a loss to pay the employee not to participate. Same with the retirement benefit.

How does expressing an opinion "cause problems"? It may reveal problems, but those problems are already in existence.

Funny, I know no one named GO HOOSIERS. I'm in the phone book, call me and perhaps we can talk about things where we both know who is speaking.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 7:20 PM

I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. - Thank you for your opinion that I'm an expert. I don't think so, but you are entitled to think whatever you wish.

Should you ask me if I'm an expert I would state verbally that I'm not an expert in anything and that even when a person is widely perceived to be expert in something that would never preclude them from being in error about something.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 7:25 PM

Leo L. Southworth, the more you attempt to sound intelligent, the more you prove yourself to be a dork.

You should take ClayCountyGuy out for a steak dinner. He actually admitted on a public forum that he voted for you.

-- Posted by I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 12:11 AM

If our outgoing Super was so good, how come he left South Putnam? Why were so many teachers there so unhappy?

-- Posted by Oldone1959 on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 8:20 AM

Jenny, once again you miss the entire point that was being made. I never one time said that you were not loyal to your community. You always have an opinion and let it be heard. My point was that we do not have loyalty to the people of our community that are capable of doing the job. You mention that you complained about some teachers. Was that simply because your children didn't get an acceptable grade in your home? I can only imagine what the teachers feel when they see that they have your children in class, knowing that they are going to have to worry about what you will say if your child doesn't get the grade you want. I would consider that to be bullying in school.

Leo, when you are talking about Vigo County and the carpeting issue, I would think that you would have to look at enrollments of the schools involved. Of course, I cannot comment intelligently without having every factor that was considered in the decision that was made.

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 9:20 AM

I. M. Lee Thall, Esq. - In response to the first sentence of your last comment, I generally hold the same opinion of your postings. I have yet to find any wisdom or wit above your name on this site.

Electriceye - The American Association of School Administrators recommended in 2005 that carpeting be removed from school buildings as it contributes to respiratory ailments that cause absenteeism. That fact was presented during the debate by me. Now some questions for you. Why aren't the floors of hospital rooms carpeted? When was the last time that the flooring in the common areas of the Clay County Courthouse replaced in its entirety? What is the difference in price of a commercial vacuum cleaner and a dust mop? How long does it actually take to vacuum 1000 square foot of carpet and how long does it take to dust mop the same area? If you have two entrances with the same amount of traffic, one with carpet and one without, the one that doesn't will show dirt more often but does that mean that the dirt isn't just as bad on the carpet or is it just hidden?

The enrollment of the schools is not a factor, Vigo County considered cost, Clay County did not. Vigo county didn't even go into as much depth as I have here, but the cost savings was clear without even considering the health issue or the effect on absenteeism that the AASA collected data on.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 10:00 AM

In response to:

I too, would advocate for Dr. Kirk Freeman to be our next superintendent. However, I believe Kirk would not subject himself to the ineptness and selfishness of our board.

-- Posted by cubbiefan on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 1:25 PM

I agree with you 100%.

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 12:08 PM

electriceye:

You REALLY don't know me...NEVER have I complained about a grade any of my daughters earned in school. Not to the teacher anyhow. lol. I have asked them to explain grades so I could address possible study habits at home. No student is perfect as no teacher is but we always need to strive to do better.

There were/are various chronic problems at the schools I have complained about over the years in various schools have been 1]repeated absenteeism of a teacher [like every Monday and most Fridays for entire school year with different subs each time], 2]a teacher repeatedly loosing multiple students' homework that got so bad we copied all our daughter's homework before her handing it in [which was a problem for entire class that year and I learned had been a problem year after year with this one teacher..the copying solution doesn't work for families who don't have a copy machine in their house and I saw students crying in this classroom because they had to do a book report over that teacher lost]. This teacher also fell down on job in other areas as well which were documented with principal and then central office,3] then a teacher who stretched a study unit that was supposed to be 3-6 weeks long to the entire semester which not only bored most students terribly but also removed the opportunity for them to learn something else...4]Then there was the teacher who put a student in charge of the class so they could cover someone else's class so they didn't have to take sick days. 5] A teacher that could not repeatedly explain math formulas to the point where daughter had to get help outside of school and then went back to explain formulas on the board for the rest of the class to understand. This lasted an entire year and subsequently we sent her to IVY Tech to take the other course this person taught because there was no alternative and she needed the course for college entrance requirement.Not all of this happened at Jackson but only examples of the type of complaints I have had. Thankfully a few of those teachers have now retired but think of all the students who have been cheated year after year in those classrooms. My complaints were for my daughters but they were also for all the other students whose parents were unaware of the fact that the students in these classes were being cheated of their education. As a matter of fact, some of this went on so long that I'll bet some who are reading this know who these individuals are.

My daughters earned B's once in a while most of the times A's..One daughter never earned a B. I think one earned a C a couple of times. All were in the top 10% of their class. All of them earned Honors Diplomas from Northview.

You have seen my kids on honor roll in this paper all throughout their schooling here in Clay County and one of them on Dean's list all but one quarter who is currently attending Rose Hulman.

If anything, I've felt that this school corporation is not challenging enough and has too many extra credit components that give the student a false sense of doing well as the ISTEP and SAT scores are generally low except in the case of when students have taken the most challenging courses and in many cases were involved with academics outside the classroom as well. The real good students shouldn't be hitting their heads on the academic ceiling as then they don't develop effective study habits for college and never are reaching their full potential. While this is not a concern for some students, it lowers the bell curve for the corporation as a whole.

Each incompetent or non effective/performing teacher adds to this dilemma.

How many parents see those report cards and think their child is doing well but then they failed the ISTEP? I even complained about the extra credit at Jackson when my kids attended there as they sent home a computer print out that had the dropped lowest test score and the extra credit listed. When I put that dropped test score and removed the extra credit, sometimes my child dropped a whole letter grade...So if my kid got an A on report card but really only earned a B...what does that say about the child who got C's on theirs? You know what they did when I complained??? they stopped sending home the computer print out so I no longer could tell how much of the grade was extra credit and not tallied into the 100% total grade. Then there were those extra credit points for boxes of tissues etc donated to the classroom.

So sorry yes I guess I DID complain about grades a time or two ...but only that they were falsely too high and should have been lower, but it was not for an individual grade but for them being calculated incorrectly giving the student body a false sense of security on their abilities and study habits.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 12:13 PM

I have a friend that keeps telling me that I am not a nice person, but I am a good person. There are a few who comment here who say that they know me without knowing much at all about me. There are some in the community that think that I'm not nice enough for them, as I work to correct what I see as problems.

To all, if you wish to know me better without contacting me, read this. http://www.ocmf.ca/PDF/tp_vol76.pdf Dr. Schroeder stated at least once that I was "open and aboveboard" and that he always knew "where I was coming from.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 1:00 PM

Why are we paying him for the next semester? I am glad that he left! I just can't figure out why we are still paying him.

-- Posted by Partrosie on Sat, Jan 1, 2011, at 11:17 AM

Perhaps he knew he was going to get a nonrenewal of his contract, so that's what spurred his "retirement". With a nonrenewal, he'd still be paid through June, so I don't see what difference it makes. At least he's gone, and for that I'm thankful. It's a welcome end to his bullying tactics!

-- Posted by littletad on Sat, Jan 1, 2011, at 1:53 PM

Partroie,

I am sure the reason we are paying him is that nearly any salaried position in any company comes with a specified amount of severance pay, unless the employee is fired for cause. I know from being a former company owner, if you have someone you want to move on, you are not trying to destroy their dignity. You just want them out so you can move in a different direction. If you try to continute to get work out of them, and they know they are going, that employee can create some serious problems for the organization. I know from experience you are money ahead to give them severence and send them on their way.

-- Posted by patriotgames on Sat, Jan 1, 2011, at 6:50 PM

Thank you patriotgames for a well thoughtout answer. I can understand if that is the reason. I just wish that the corporation could use that money for something else.

-- Posted by Partrosie on Mon, Jan 3, 2011, at 9:24 AM

Partrosie & patriotgames - where have you heard that the CCSC is paying Dr. Schroeder for next semester. I understand the he chose to retire and was not "severed" by the corporation due to some internal action such as downsizing that would affect a lower level management or administrative position. He was not fired for cause. According to my contacts, the Corporation is not paying him but I'll re-check with them. Frankly, that would be "money down the drain", but to those people who wished him gone might be well worth the expense. As patriotgames said, sometimes it is a good investment for people to leave as rapidly as possible.

Now, if we could only do that with "lame ducks" in other parts of our government. Sometimes, I wonder if the British system of having votes of "no confidence" for the office of Prime Minister isn't a better system. Oh, well, we work within the system that we have or we work to change the system.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Tue, Jan 4, 2011, at 3:00 AM

Whoa back....So even if the employee leaves early [for whatever reason]and seemingly doesn't hold up his end of the contract, the other party still is bound to?? Don't two parties have to sign for it to be a contract?

Seems to me if the employee decides to leave, he should not expect to be paid for another 6 months as I would think that his decision would nullify the contract....Or did he really tell board that he was going to retire in July and they thought it prudent to let him leave now?? That I would understand but that is not what was reported.

Did he sign a non competition clause stating that he wasn't going to work for another school corporation while he was getting paid still by Clay? He did state that he did not rule out working in education at some point in future....

They would only have to pay him til end of contract if THEY decided it was best for him to leave....

What am I missing here?

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Tue, Jan 4, 2011, at 2:59 PM


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