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Tuesday, October 18, 2011

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City Council and Clerk-Treasurer candidates took questions at Tuesday's polical forum. Council member William Lovett speaks to those in attendance. Those on the panel (from left), Karen McQueen, Mary Fisher, Brad Deal, Gary Rickert, Sam Glover, Mark Bedwell, Dustin Jorgenson, Tyler Hutcheson and Pat Heffner. [Order this photo]
* Residents meet with candidates at forum

Brazil Mayoral, City Council and Clerk-Treasurer Municipal Election candidates answered questions at Tuesday's political forum.

The forum, presented by The Clay County Chamber of Commerce and Clay County Farm Bureau, was held in the community room of the YMCA of Clay County.

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Jodi Lohrman (left) and Sharon Koehler speak to City Council member Sam Glover after Tuesday's political forum. [Order this photo]
Both Mayoral and the combined City Council and Clerk-Treasurer panels took questions from audience members who wrote questions on pieces of paper and submitted them to local resident Mike Peterson, who served as moderator and emcee for the event.

Mayoral candidates Steve Lamb, T.J. Sneddon and Brian Wyndham fielded questions first.

The first question focused on city ordinances that are not being enforced such as burning trash or debris and yards that are not being mowed.

Wyndham tackled the question first.

"If in fact there are city ordinances not being enforced I think really it's pretty simple," Wyndham said. "We either enforce them or do away with them."

Lamb then followed.

"The city ordinance about the lawn mowing is being enforced," Lamb said. "There are several liens against properties of people that have not kept their property up.

We do mow it and then if they don't pay us in a certain length of time then there is a lien put on their property taxes."

Sneddon took the question last.

"My administration will start with the polite method," Sneddon said.

"We'll just ask them to please not do that and if that doesn't work, then citations would have to be issued, fines levied if that was necessary to make sure that the ordinances are being followed."

Candidates were then asked how they would address the drug problem in the area.

Sneddon took the question first.

"It is a big problem, all over. First off we need a police department that can be responsive and be mobile," Sneddon said. "My plan also (is) I've talked to some police officers who have and are willing to go into the elementary schools and start a program of education. "That's where we have to start, in the elementary schools while the police officers are still heroes to these young people by the time they get older they become the enemy and we don't want that."

Sneddon added that kids needed to be taught early about the dangers of drugs.

Lamb then offered his plan next.

"My plan is to open a mini police department in an apartment in West Central Village apartments, which seems to be taken over a lot by drug users." Lamb said. "West Central village is not being used for what is was intentionally built for ... there are good people living in West Central Village and they're afraid to come out. I think it's time for them to take back their land"

Lamb added that the police station would not be manned 24 hours a day but it would be a stopping point that officers would stop into during their shifts. He then said that a blue light might be used to signify when the police were there so residents could talk to them.

Wyndham took the question last.

"The drug problem we have here in our community isn't unlike anybody else's and that's why it's spread across the nation. I don't think there is any centralized area in Brazil (of drug problems) ... it's everywhere, and as far as addressing it I think we do have an excellent police force that does respond when there's a situation that occurs... there are (drug awareness) programs that are (being used) in grade schools"

Wyndham added that the problem is going to have to continue to be fought and that it isn't going to just go away, but agreed that it starts with educating the youth about drugs.

After a brief intermission, the city council and clerk treasurer candidates took to the panel.

Candidates included, Brad Deal and Gary Rickert, Ward One, Sam Glover, Ward Two (unopposed), Mark Bedwell Ward Three, Bill Lovett and Dustin Jorgenson, Ward Four and Tyler Hutcheson and Pat Heffner, Council at Large.

Ann Bradshaw, running for Ward Three, was not in attendance.

Clerk-Treasurer candidates were, current Clerk-Treasurer Karen McQueen and Mary Fisher.

A question that sparked the most reaction from the crowd had to do with a smoking ban.

Brad Deal took the question first.

"This smoking ban situation is a very touchy subject," Deal said.

He said he has done research by passing out 150 surveys to houses in his ward and around 90 percent of the people want a total smoking ban for the city while the rest didn't want bans on privately owned businesses or no ban at all.

As a whole, candidates agreed that a smoking ban in public places was the right thing to do, but others also said they were not for smoking bans on privately owned businesses.

Gary Rickert was a candidate who was not in favor of a ban on privately owned business.

"As far as the public places, yes I am in favor. When you go into those places you shouldn't have to smell smoke, but as far as a person's private business, that's their place, Rickert said.

"That's their money and I will never ... support a ban because that's their money and they have a right to do what they want to and their business is still in America."

Candidates were then asked if they supported the state idea of doing away with Township Trustees.

Pat Heffner took the question first and said she was "absolutely against" doing away with the township trustees.

Dustin Jorgenson said he is also against the idea.

"What they are trying to do is take the government out of the local community and we need to have government in the local community," Jorgenson said.

"Because that is where our citizens are at and that's where they need their needs met. The state doesn't know what's going on ... in every neighborhood in the community and our trustees should as elected officials, living in the area, know those things."

At print time no information on another forum has been supplied to The Brazil Times.


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again, the mayor elects to ignore questions from the public.

-- Posted by xray on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 10:20 PM

How far do we want government to tell us how we HAVE to live our lives. We DO NOT want to force any private property owner to do something INSIDE his/her establishment that they don't want to do. Think about it people. Do we want government to mandate what you can and cannot do INSIDE YOUR home.

Who care about TH and Greencastle. They are predominately democrat communities, we DO NOT want to "follow" their lead, especially when it comes to restricting private property owners. Brian and Mark answered the questions correctly.

It was also mentioned about parents taking kids into a smoke filled establishment. So now we are going to have the government telling parents what to do with their own children? Nice. I think I will make decisions for my kids thank you very much.

Finally, I and my wife CHOOSE not to smoke. But I will defend the rights of one person who is being told by another what they can and cannot do. How much more government intrusion do we need in our lives?

-- Posted by Conservative Dad on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM

I find it interesting that the ONLY candidate that was not present nor has been present at any of these in the past for this election is Mayor Ann Bradshaw. Yes she was defeated in the primary but she is now running for City Council Ward 3. Is this really someone we want in City Government if she will not even address the public at a forum.

Also, Mr. Peterson did a very good job as moderator even though he did not get to all questions, I would have at least liked to hear some of the other questions instead of addressing the smoking issue at least 3 or 4 times which was his wife's and neighbors agenda items. The candidates answered the question the FIRST time.

-- Posted by observation on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 7:54 AM

Mr. Wyndham said:

"The drug problem we have here in our community isn't unlike anybody else's and that's why it's spread across the nation. I don't think there is any centralized area in Brazil (of drug problems) ... it's everywhere, and as far as addressing it I think we do have an excellent police force that does respond when there's a situation that occurs..."

Are you serious? We need a mayor that will acknowedge that yes, drugs are a problem 'everywhere' but we want more than that for our home town. We have to set the bar a little higher and while the police department does a great job, we have to continue to be more and more aggressive in fighting this. Anyone that lives in Brazil knows there are most definitely some areas of town where drugs are more prevalent than others and Mr. Lamb is absolutely spot on that WCV has become a problem. For Mr. Wyndham to openly acknowledge that he is unaware of this as well as whether or not the city enforces the ordinances in place should be a huge red flag for the people that want a better Brazil. Mr. Lamb ~ you now have my vote.

-- Posted by just thinking on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 8:47 AM

How in the world is Ann Bradshaw running for ward 3 city council when she ran for mayor and lost the last election!She continues to snub the public by not going to these forums and answering the publics questions,who does she think she is?Surely ward 3 sees this and will not put her back in an office.

I thought forum went well and it looks like no smoking ban for clay co.We're still in the old ages.

-- Posted by clycogrl on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 8:57 AM

Isn't it interesting that people will say a private business owner can do whatever they like with their business it's their money. I find that very intriguing. What would happen if these business owners served raw uncooked meat, washed dishes in tepid water with no soap or maybe no access for employees to wash their hands....hmmmm how about that, aren't these health codes put into place to protect the public? Isn't the clean air ordinance just that another way to protect the public? A smoking ordinance is NOT a BAN people can smoke, they just can't allow their second hand smoke to poison those around them.

Seriously why would you not want to have a healthier place of business =healthier people= a healthier community = more $$$$.

-- Posted by Take Action on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 11:25 AM

Mr. Lamb's comment: "Lamb added that the police station would not be manned 24 hours a day but it would be a stopping point that officers would stop into during their shifts. He then said that a blue light might be used to signify when the police were there so residents could talk to them", makes it sound like the police department doesn't "patrol" this area.

I drive down Depot Street frequently and there is (most often) a police car coming out of the Street WCV is on or driving down Depot trying to catch those who don't follow the posted speed limit.

Yes, WCV is riddled with drugs, but to insinuate that the police force steers clear of this area is insulting and incorrect. Hell, Ashley Street supplied one of the biggest drug busts in this area! It's all over town, not predominently one area.

If you put a "Blue Light Special" cop in WCV, the druggies will just find another location to do business. The key is the element of surprise.

I'm not married to an officer, nor have I ever been a police officer.

I don't know who I'm voting for yet .. but I know which Mayoral/City Council candidate WON'T get my vote.

-- Posted by Emmes on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 12:06 PM

Brilliant..lets worry about a police substation when the police station is in a 40+ year old building that is not ADA complaint, probably wouldn't pass current state building codes. And why single out such a small section of Brazil. Is this special treatment of an area he has been the councilman for the last several years. Or is it that he is singling this area out for personal reasons, didn't Steve Lamb call the residents of west central village 'cochroaches' in a local organization meeting?

-- Posted by ArmyGuy99 on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:06 PM

I thought everyone did a good job at the forum. I know some are passionate about the smoking issue. I do not smoke but I am not for the government regulating smoking laws for private businesses or private properties. If an establishment wants to let people smoke, I simply would not give them my business.

I did find one candidates comments somewhat puzzling. Steve Lamb made some comments about the police department that I thought were inappropriate. He seems to have an extreme dislike for the members of the police department. Its sad that a candidate for mayor thinks little of the members of the police department.

-- Posted by AreYourKiddingMe on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:17 PM

I too thought the forum went well, much thanks to the Clay County Chamber of Commerce and Clay County Farm Bureau for putting this forum together. I was pleased to see that most of the candidates, except 'no show' Bradshaw, came out to meet with the public and answer questions. Thanks go out to all the candidates who showed up. I think all the candidates handled the questions well and seemed genuine. The only exception wsa Steve Lamb. He seemed arrogant and condescending with some of his comments. Gave the impression he had already won the mayors race. Seems like he could be pretty stubborn and intolerant. Does not seem like good qualities for the position of mayor. Just my opinion, my vote.

-- Posted by aab_2010 on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 1:44 PM

Steve Lamb is on the board of directors of "Inside Outside " which is a new half house for felons with admitted drug addictions going into the old nursing home on Hendrix Street. He thinks this is what Brazil needs for our community. He hasn't told you that it will house felons from all over the state including Indianapolis, Gary, Evansville. He hasn't told you what specific crimes these felons committed while on drugs in order to go to state prison in the first place- murderers? rapists? child molesters? He hasn't told you what kind of a crowd this half way house will bring into Brazil...the visitors and the other drug dealers who know selling drugs to these drug addicted felons will be like shooting fish in a barrel. Will he set up a police substation there too? He hasn't told you if, as a board of directors member, if he will personally profit financially from bringing felons into Brazil. How will that affect our "local" drug problem, our economy and our children's safety? What else is he not telling you?

-- Posted by Claycountian on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 5:04 PM

In addition to my prior comments, the Inside Outside half way house for drug addicted felons has not opened yet. The old nursing home in which it will be housed has not passed inspection. It is rumored to have black mold growing inside the walls due to the roof leaking for years. The rumor claims the electrical wiring is damaged and malfunctions often, setting of fire alarms. The building needs to be condemned. There is a man already living in this closed nursing home, even though it is not habitable at this time. Black mold is very dangerous and next to impossible to eradicate, however Mr. Lamb, as a member of the board of directors of this half way house, intends to move in drug addicted felons and staff into this building. Is this the kind of thinking we want for a mayor? He also is very aware of the risks drug addicted felons bring since he works with them in his job as a correctional officer in a state prison. In fact, you can research his blog "On the Lamb" and read how he recognized that the convicts in his unit were fascinated with and cheered at a very violent, gory movie called "The Hills Have Eyes" which included scenes of rape, brute violence and murder. Yet, he thinks it will be good for Brazil to bring in drug addicted felons or he wouldn't support it. If you doubt this information, then research the Brazil Times for an article in May 2011 which featured the May City Council Meeting during which he praised the Inside Outside Half Way House as a City Council Member, but it was not reported that he disclosed to the public his conflict of interest as a member of the board of directors of Inside Outside Half Way House. You could also research the Minutes to the May City Council Meeting located at your City Hall. As mayor, perhaps he could have the power to expand his half way house for drug addicted felons. Is he really what Brazil needs? We have enough of our own problems to resolve, we don't need more. Again, I ask, what else is he not telling you?

-- Posted by Claycountian on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 5:34 PM

Take Action: If I could see bacteria and germs, like I could see smokers, then I would choose a different place to eat. Look at the Golden Corral in TH. It is NO ONES place to tell another how to run his business. Just like turning the dial of a radio station if you don't like the format, vote with your feet and go to a different place to eat or shop. It is your choice. Don't force someone else to accept your choice.

-- Posted by Conservative Dad on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 5:43 PM

Correction- The comments about "Hills Have Eyes" were made in the opinion section by Steve Lamb, and not on his blog. It was a letter to the editor he submitted to the Brazil Times a few months back.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 5:49 PM

Just thinking,

Congrats on making your decision already on who you are voting for! Must be a load off your mind to not have to worry about that any more. Now the rest of us will take the question and the answers in the proper context. The drug problem in Brazil is not a WCV problem only. Read past articles about drug busts in Brazil. Have they all been in WCV? I can't believe the current administration hasn't come up with this idea. Oh wait, Steve Lamb/current administration, kind of the same thing. The problem is all over Brazil, not just in one centralized location. The other candidates are aware of this fact and would not want to centralize all of their resources in one area.

Hopefully after the election Steve Lamb can focus on his Youtube singing career.

-- Posted by cdd987 on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 7:31 PM

I hate the fact that they are putting a convict place in that old run down place . I feel unsafe enough already and now this right here by me .. and we have no choice in the matter . I have called several times reporting things going on over there that was a worry to me like for instance gun shot . I was told by the police that it is outside city limits and they did not have enough police on duty and would get to it as soon as they could . ummm that never happened and now gonna have all these convicts over there . what are they gonna do when calls are made about something going on over there ? oh I am sorry that is outside city limits we cannot help you . it disgusts me how these things go on constantly and we the people have no say in anything . well I personally do not want their kind living around me and my children and others children as well .fire trucks are there allot because of the false alarms going off . wow what a mess .

-- Posted by piggie on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 11:55 PM

Piggie- Don't expect the drug addicted felons to stay at that old nursing home all the time. They will be wandering all over the city as Steve Lamb stated in his blog of March 2011 doing "community work". Therefore, the police will have to respond when guns are shot within the city limits, and I expect there will be many calls and hopefully many emergency responses, assuming the police force will be expanded in response to a large concentration of out of town felons who will be living in our community. I hope AreYouKiddingMe is wrong in his impression that Steve Lamb "has extreme dislike for the members of the police department". Bringing 200 drug addicted felons into the community as board of directors of a half way house and not supporting the police department as a mayor would be a recipe for true disaster in this community. It will be the nail in the coffin of Brazil. Don't expect businesses to locate in Brazil either. Two families near the old nursing home are already packing up and relocating with their children. And Piggie- We heard the gun shot too. It sounded like it was from a high powered weapon. Perhaps it would be in your best interest as a law abidding citizen to buy a weapon of your own for self defense. It is your constitutional right and you'll be happy to have it when you need it.

-- Posted by Claycountian on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 8:10 AM

Steve Lamb's singing career on Youtube? hahahahaha

It's a must see! And then perhaps that would make up your mind for you. How embarrassing! As for you "Just thinking" you better START thinking and listening!

Mr. Wyndham sounds like he has some intelligence.

-- Posted by Jolly on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 8:59 AM

Conservative Dad, from one conservative to another, thank you for wording it so perfectly: "Don't force someone else to accept your choice." However, when someone smokes in a bar or restaurant, isn't that what they are doing to the waitstaff? People who make their living in these public places have no choice but to breathe in over 50 cancer causing carcinogens. And don't talk to me about working elsewhere. In this economy, people don't always have the luxury of choice in this matter. I know of one single mom who has no car and must choose a place to work that is withing walking distance. With no experience other than tending bar, she took the job she was able to get: bartending in a smoky restaurant. Her kids rely on her being able to have this job just to eat! Unfortunately she misses a lot of work due to bouts with smoking related illnesses. Now tell me about her choices...

-- Posted by Towny on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 9:23 AM

I am ashamed at the stones being thrown on this topic discussion. I believe if someone has paid their debt to society, they have the right to live anywhere, even if it is in my back yard. Most drug felons have a near impossible time finding work or any help in general. Certain services are no longer available to them. Often, they feel the system sends them right back to a way of life that provided food and shelter. I would like to think there is a better way. I have no idea who Steve Lamb is. I will not be voting for him as Mayor. I do believe a properly run half-way house could send the message that we care about the drug problem in this city. I see it as part of the solution and not the problem. I have met several residents at the House of Hope who know their Bible as well as most church deacons. I bleive it is possible to be a new creation in Christ. The Bible is full of people who did terrible things and then repented, turned away from their sinful ways and then used by God to reach others. I believe this can still happen today. For those of you who have stones to throw, I leave you the plank in your eye.

-- Posted by sickhorse on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 11:15 AM

Towny: Thank you for your respectful reply.

I don't know anyone who is FORCED to work in an environment that they don't want to. That would be slavery. They CHOOSE to work in that environment. On one hand you seem to recognize the choice to smoke, but deny the choice to work in that respective environment. You or I did not make the choice for her to take that job. She chose that job. They smoked there before she took the job. She was aware of the risk when she said yes to the employer. She has the choice to find another job. The government does NOT control that...........YET.

-- Posted by Conservative Dad on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 1:13 PM

Towny: I would also add, where do you draw the line where the government tells us what we can or cannot do with our own private property? Should they out law smoking in our homes?

There is a city in CA that has outlawed fireplaces. If someone there burns their own private fireplace inside their home, the green police with issue a citation when they see the smoke coming out of the flue. Do we want to go that far. Really?

-- Posted by Conservative Dad on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 1:17 PM

Conservative Dad, absolutely not. I do not want to see it go that far. I don't even want to see it go as far as people's private homes. If I believed that would be a natural consequence of smokefree air laws, I would likely fight against them. But buying into the fear-mongering is not only irrational, its not necessary. We have laws against drinking and driving, heck even against drinking and walking down the public street, but alcohol is still legal and may be used by persons of age in their homes as often as they please. Now please don't tell me you have a problem with laws against drinking and driving. I mean, a person's car is their own personal property. Where's the outrage against that?

Smokefree air laws are meant to do the same thing laws agains drinking and driving are meant to do: protect others from destructive acts. It is scientific fact that secondhand smoke is destructive to the human body, so why on earth is it not put on the same level as e-coli found in a restaurant's salad bar (lettuce is a legal product).

As far as choosing where to work, have you see the unemployment rates? Surely even you know a person right now who is struggling to find employment. If a person is WILLING to work to provide for their families rather than sponge off the rest of us, why on earth would we not want to offer them a healthful place of employment free from KNOWN hazards that kill. Do you realize that for every 8 smokers who die from their addiction, they take 1 nonsmoker with them thats 53,800. I wonder how many of those nonsmokers work in a smoky environment. Spending 8 hours a day in a toxic soup takes a toll.

Do you remember the ecoli outbreak in spinach that killed maybe 40 people a few years back. They SHUT DOWN spinach distribution!!! Where is the outrage over the 53,800?!

-- Posted by Towny on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 2:42 PM

Ms. McQueen.....you should be ashamed of yourself at the way you behaved while Mrs. Fisher was speaking. Your childish face making and sneers would have been very entertaining if I were watching a group of nursery school children. But then again, maybe not! Grow up Ms. McQueen and act like an adult. Show respect to others if you wish to have respect given to you.

Oh, one more thing. Please keep your shoes on.

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 3:18 PM

Conservative Dad: If you could actually see the over 4000 chemicals that have been found in cigarette smoke you might think a little differently....the stink, the color are not what are killing people...it's not event the nicotine that is killing people it's all the other poisons that are found in the product. I went into a place the other day that was non smoking but people were smoking out on the patio....you couldn't really see the smoke coming in the building, but the next day I was down with a sinus headache and it was because of the chemicals from the second hand smoke.

Many people are limited to where they can work due to transportation issues, babysitting, location...etc why should they not be protected? Most of those who are unprotected are those who work in the hospitality industry or a blue collar position. Is this fair?

You are a Dad, how would you feel about your children having to work in a restaurant to put themselves through college. The only place they can get a position, that will work around their schedule is at a smoke filled establishment ....is that ok...that your child will be poisoned every night they go to work?

"Towny" brings up the point of the spinach ....how about the DOG FOOD that was pulled off the counters that was making dogs ill? Everyone was up in arms about that, yet again nobody seems to understand that second hand smoke is making people sick and killing people.

It is such a shame that we are allowing people to die over this issue. All because someone wants to allow smoking in their business.....the business owner is suppose to provide a safe place of employment, maybe if they got sued by an employee for damages when they got cancer or COPD...maybe, just maybe they might rethink the issue.

-- Posted by Take Action on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 4:15 PM

Protecting people from the dangers of second hand smoke should be first on the minds of smokers and non-smokers alike, not it is a persons right to smoke. It is possible to smoke without endangering those around them. Take it outside. Take it away from where people congregate. The Center for Disease Control studies cancel out all opposing arguments regarding safety issues of second hand smoke. Everyone knows these carcinogens are killing smokers and non smokers alike. So since we know this as an indisputable fact we now must rise to a higher level of moral reasoning. All should be protected and all should be held accountable for protecting. The bar/restaurant server should have clean air just as the teacher,office worker, government worker have enjoyed now for many years.

We must protect all employees. If we don't our insurance companies will make us. In the very near future employees who smoke will be required to take out additional cancer insurance along with the higher premium they are now paying. Non-smokers all over the United States are suing their employers for toxic second hand smoke working conditions associated with their illnesses and they are WINNING! Accountability is coming and it will come by way of the pocketbook! If a business owner wants to save money...go smoke free! Healthy workers saves money!

-- Posted by yestosmokefree on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 4:47 PM

Ms. Mcqueen seems to believe she has election in hand the way she acted the other night,LETS PROVE HER WRONG!!!

-- Posted by clycogrl on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 6:29 PM

I do appreciate the respectful dialogue. We will have to agree to disagree. I for one do not want the CHOICE taken from me. As I said, I don't smoke. I want the government to stop encroaching on my liberties. If I thought that I was risking my life like both of you stated, I would seriously consider another form of employment. My son's choices are his. I don't want his liberties restricted by me or anyone else including the government. The government has been whittling away at our liberties ever since this country began. It seems to me that we have been on the fast track to tyranny for about the last 3 years now. IMHO.

-- Posted by Conservative Dad on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 8:47 PM

sickhorse ,

i love your comment: I am ashamed at the stones being thrown on this topic discussion. I believe if someone has paid their debt to society, they have the right to live anywhere, even if it is in my back yard.

What about a sex offender, child molesters?

As for All the candidates, I don't think Brazil has a chance,I think most will use the office to benifet their own pockets.

guess you could always bring a quarter to the polls: heads = rep, tails=dem, falls off poll booth =ind

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 9:20 PM

carebutton,

The mentioned felons already live in our community. Their pictures are online. I check it regularly. I suggest you look too. I bet they live closer than you think to your backyard.

I will qualify, their rights end at my property line. They are then in my world.

Thanks for reading.

-- Posted by sickhorse on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 7:26 PM

I am a smoker but I do not wish to go into a business and smell other peoples stale smoke. I smoke when I get in my car or at home. I will not infringe upon others my choice. I am for a smoking ban, had there been one when I was younger I may not have started to begin with.

-- Posted by dxrs0 on Sun, Oct 23, 2011, at 10:52 AM

dxrso: Very wise words...another GREAT reason for a smoking ordinance! If we can cut down on areas where people,especially our young ones see smoking...we can continue to lower our smoking rate as well as our healthcare costs!

...and please for your own health ...think about not smoking in your house and car, your getting double whammied with secondhand smoke AND direct smoke, just a thought :)

-- Posted by Take Action on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 10:57 AM

dxrso: I know exactly what you mean. I was one of the rare ones who didn't start smoking until I was 21. Guess where my habit was born? That's right, a bar. Thankfully, after smoking for many years, I finally was able to quit but I know many aren't as blessed as I. I was not a considerate smoker like you are. I didn't really think about what my habit was doing to others. I think given the opportunity to truly learn of the devastation, most smokers would choose the same path as you. On behalf of many, I thank you for being so enlightened and considerate of others around you.

-- Posted by Towny on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 11:26 AM

I'm with DXRSO on this one. I'm a smoker, but don't smoke in my house because when my kids were little, they were sick constantly, due to my smoking. (Yes, that's fact) When I gave up inside smoking, my sons (nearly grown now) went through elementary/middle/high school with very few days missed.

I do not like to smell smoke inside a restaurant or diner. Being a smoker, I realize that isn't the "norm", but it's how I feel.

I have a right to smoke, certainly .. what I don't have the right to do is poison anyone else (my kids, non-smokers, etc.) because of MY CHOICE.

-- Posted by Emmes on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 11:59 AM

Well did sitting in a bar drinking make you an alcholic ? give me a break you started smoking because you wanted to . you don't want to be around smoke then stay away from it . some peoples perfume sends me into a coughing fit .... so should we ban that to ? I try and not smoke around people that don't I have that respect but when I am in an area for smokers and they make faces or make remarks it ticks me off . if I am in a public place and outside smoking I always try and make sure the smoke is going away from people . but if they come where I am then they are just gonna have to deal with it .

-- Posted by piggie on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 12:39 PM

Piggie, sadly too many people feel like you do. It's all about you isn't it? Maybe all that nicotin has affected your grammer and sentence structure skills as well! Wow

-- Posted by Jolly on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 1:55 PM

Be careful of this slippery slope. First, smoking is banned. Next, it will be fat people because they use too many of our resources. Then maybe it will be redheads, then people who drive a Nissan. To heck with those people...we know what is good for them, right Brazil??!!

If you don't like a smoking establishment, don't patronize it. Simple stuff. Your rights are no more important than a smoker's, and a smoker's are no more important than yours.

-- Posted by RDK on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 3:16 PM

RDK,

The issue is the documented dangers of second-hand smoke and how it is making workers sick. This is a serious health issue. Those put in harms way deserve to be protected. The right to smoke should never trump the right to breath the healthiest air possible while on the job. Nor is this a smoking ban. Keep the focus on protecting all workers and take the toxic fumes outside.

DXRSO and EMMES, there are many, many more who believe as you do and are taking steps to protect others from the smoke. Thank you. If all would be considerate to protecting the health of others a smoking ordinance would be unnecessary.

-- Posted by yestosmokefree on Tue, Oct 25, 2011, at 9:11 PM

Red hair on a person, as far as I know, doesn't kill the blonde or brunette sitting next to them on a bar stool.Neither will the drink they are having....unless they totally get smashed and run the blonde or brunette over in the street.

However, the second hand smoke coming from a cigarette or cigar in that same bar IS CAUSING damage to EVERYONE in that bar....worker and patron, young and old.

Isn't it funny how people really don't care that they are poisoning other people, as long as their addiction is not disturbed.

-- Posted by Take Action on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 11:48 AM

As smokers, we are aware of our "cigarette hand" and do our best to avoid having anyone accidentally walk into the ember. If we didn't care, why would we instinctively gesture in this way?

A smoking ban (for me) isn't about the government trying to control one more aspect of my life. It's more of a "it's not my right to infect others" mentality.

Drinking in excess is different. We can't get drunk off the fumes coming from a heavy drinker anymore than we can control which direction our smoke goes. For this reason, I support the smoking ban.

-- Posted by Emmes on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 12:18 PM

Right on EMMES!!

Piggie....Think of someone peeing in a pool....does it stop around the actual culprit....no, so everyone in the pool gets peed upon. Thus, just because you"move" your cigarette away from me does not mean I will not get poisoned by it.

-- Posted by Take Action on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 12:56 PM

OMFG. I can't believe some of these comments. There are a bunch of Idiots. Government has NO business in our Business.

-- Posted by xray on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 10:19 PM


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