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Board to negotiate for garage

Sunday, November 13, 2011

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Clay Community School board officials voted 5-1 in favor of negotiating a purchase price, contingent on an up-to-date legal survey for the Doug Williams property (pictured), 410 W. Pinckley Street, Brazil. CCS is considering buying the property and using it to house the new bus garage. [Order this photo]
Clay Community School board members are a step closer to making a final decision regarding the drawn out bus garage debate.

During the monthly meeting Thursday evening, the board voted in favor of beginning negotiations with owner Doug Williams for the property located at 410 W. Pinckley Street, Brazil.

The majority of school board officials said they believe purchasing the building would be an adequate solution to the zoning and size problems surrounding the current bus garage at the intersection of Depot and Church streets.

However, board member Forest Buell addressed his colleagues with a message of caution during the meeting, advising his fellow board members to further examine various aspects of the Williams property.

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Tom Reberger
"What specific things do we need in a bus garage?" Buell asked after reading off a list of more than ten other questions. "What is it really that we need? Before we move forward with this property, we need to make sure it can meet all our needs."

Despite Buell's attempt to persuade other board members to delve deeper, board member Ron Scherb said the board had been concentrating on the issue long enough.

"We need to make a decision on this soon," Scherb argued. "It's time to start focusing on educational issues."

Board member Amy Burke Adams agreed.

"We need to find a place that suites most of our needs," Adams said, "and I think the Williams property does."

Scherb made the motion to start negotiations, contingent upon an up-to-date legal survey.

CCS Vice President Tina Heffner gave the second, and the board voted 5-1 in favor of the motion, with Buell opposing.

The other agenda item to provoke heavy discussion was the transportation office's request to purchase a new maintenance service truck that could be used as a multi-purpose vehicle.

CCS Building and Grounds Director Tom Reberger explained to those in attendance the number of employees is outnumbering the number of service vehicles.

"We only have four trucks we are able to use," Reberger said.

He added although they have one service truck in running condition, it isn't road-worthy due to and chassis issues.

"Even if we fixed the current problems with the truck, we can't attach a snow plow to it," Reberger told board members. "We'd like to buy a truck we can put a snow plow on when needed, and be able to use it as a service vehicle when the weather's not bad."

The transportation office asked that the board approve their request to purchase a Bowen Ford 2011 Ford F250 Super Duty 4X4 pick-up at a cost of $23,726 with funding coming from the General Fund.

However, Scherb suggested the board consider looking into a diesel option, making an argument about the longevity of a diesel versus a gasoline engine.

Board member Jennifer Kaelber agreed.

Reberger said the problem tends not to be with vehicles' engines but with the wear on the vehicle's body after long periods of performing strenuous jobs in harsh weather.

After discussing various possible motions, board members voted to table the decision until the December meeting.

Meanwhile, the district's wireless project is underway and wiring in all buildings is expected to be completed shortly after 2012.

In addition to current on-going wireless renovations, the board unanimously approved the purchase of additional access points to be installed throughout buildings in the district. The additional access points, meant to be distributed throughout corporation buildings, will be $135,931.50, with funding coming from the Rainy Day Fund.

In other school board news:

* Board members voted unanimously in favor of School Board Policy No. 7541- Computer Technology and Social Media,

* School board officials conducted a first reading of Personnel Director Carolyn Kumpf's request to adopt a substitute handbook for those filling in for CCS teachers,

* The board voted unanimously in favor of hiring MMS-AE architectural firm to provides a seven phase design and engineering services for renovation of the new central office at a cost of $27,400, with funding coming from the Rainy Day Fund,

* Heffner made the motion to approve CCS's enrollment with the Indiana Bond Bank Fuel Purchasing Program, which is intended to help the school corporation "hedge their bets" regarding the transportation and fuel budget. Scherb gave the second, and the motion was unanimously approved,

* The CCS board also approved purchases made through the North Clay Middle School Mini-Grant Program after reading an explanation from NCMS Principal Jeff Allen,

* School board officials granted a waiver to Jerry Fortune, a CCS bus driver, allowing him to retire as of Nov. 30, and

* School board officials conducted a first reading of the newly state-mandated Indoor Air Quality Proposed new policies, which include rules pertaining to the amount of time corporation vehicles can idle outside the school as well as other stipulations.

Board member Tammy Beasley was not present during Thursday evening's meeting.

The CCS board meets regularly on the second Thursday of every month.

The next meeting is scheduled for Dec. 8, at 7:30 p.m., in the North Clay Middle School Media Center.


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Lot's of good things happening there.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Sun, Nov 13, 2011, at 8:19 PM

Sounds to me like the only one on the school board right now with some common sense about a garage is Dr. Buell. It makes no sense to me why you would have a group of people giving their thoughts on something that they have very little knowedge about. That would be like asking a plumber what he thinks you should do for your home networking on your computer. But I see that is what you get when you get a group of people whom think that their opinion is the only ones that count.

Then you get into the vehicle issue, it is pretty bad when you cannot get a $23,000 vehicle purchased when there is one that needs replaced, but they can turn around and spend $136,000 on putting more wireless internet points in buildings when it is really not needed for getting an education. I relize that there are needs for using computers for an education in this day and age, but wireless is not an necessity for children to recieve a good education.

-- Posted by supporter on Sun, Nov 13, 2011, at 9:00 PM

Don't build a new garage on the former Legion parking lot. That'd be totally too handy. Why have the bus garage and the school admin building so close, that if there was a problem or question about something, you could just walk out the back door and ask someone face-to-face? But it's none of my business, I don't have kids that attend Clay Community schools so it doesn't affect me. Oh, WAIT. It DOES affect me. I'm a taxpayer.

Please reconsider...

-- Posted by Dagnabbitt on Sun, Nov 13, 2011, at 9:55 PM

I agree with putting some thought towards a diesel engine. It's not only the longevity but it gets better mileage and in the long run they are less polluting that the gas engine now that the diesel fuel has the low sulfur emissions ratings. you pay a little more for diesel up front but get a lot more out of it by the end of its life. the people actually driving the truck should also care about pollution and what it costs per mile to run it.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 5:51 AM

Why are they worried about a bus garage when the have a elem. that lost its accerdition.We dont hear about that except the parents who got letters to transfer there kids.but they are still kids attending there.

-- Posted by kd323 on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 7:49 AM

The school board needs to look back at base education instead of looking at putting in new technology as well. When education comes from a teacher actually teaching the class like it has been done for so long, but instead they are trying to make it where the kids learn from computers. At that point what good is a teacher if they are just going to put a computer in front of the kids? You could hire anyone to "monitor" the kids at that point because the teachers would not be doing anything except watching the kids learn on computers. So therefore why spend the money to put in wireless and everything else when it should be spent more on BASE education.

-- Posted by supporter on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 9:35 AM

just thinkin', the Williams property does not appear to be any larger in area than the current bus garage property.

-- Posted by former Clay Countian on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 11:27 AM

It is all because Doug Williams wife is a Principal at Van Buren Elementary.

-- Posted by goodolboy on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 1:55 PM

Well from the looks of the current property vs the williams property, you will have to have it fenced in for security of the busses, there is no lighting on the lot at all so there will need to be lot lighting for security and safety, there is 2 fuel pumps at the current location that will have to be moved aswell, there will have to be fiber lines brought into the building for telephone and computers. Then you will have renovations inside that will have to take place im sure of, just as the legion property had to.

I will say it again, the current school board only cares about their points of view and not the citizens that they supposidly "support". I guess that is what happens when you get in a position like that, you no longer listen to the community you only care about what YOU want. It is pitiful and sad that the people that the people we elect in tell everyone when they are running they plan on doing this and that and they will listen to what the community has to say and do what the community wants and then they get into power and they could care less about everyone else then. You will see no board members post on here to anything said because they have their own agenda and their minds are already set on what they want to do, they dont care about anyone elses points of view.

-- Posted by supporter on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 9:54 PM

Dr. Buell is right. We have so many issues & this Board doesn't seem to ever "fix" anything. Clay City has an elementary principal that definitely needs to be evaluated then removed, and they have went back and forth on this building issue forever. It took no time to buy the legion building, yet here we are again on this bus garage. School Board....DO SOMETHING!

If we as citizens, ran our businesses and homes the way CCS is operated we would be in serious trouble. It just seems like cover-ups and "back scratching" all the time. Did we ever think we'd be in the perdicament we are in? Isn't Clay County better than those school corporations who don't put the students needs first? When and where did we go wrong? Nothing is "in-house" anymore. Our administration come from other counties and it seems that we are losing focus. Thoughts?

-- Posted by __2--- on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 9:57 PM

Supporter: I've been saying this for past several years as Northview removed early bird class opportunities and instead substituted computer based classes with a person monitoring instead. It's the teacher in front of the class that stimulates interest and provides two way dialog.

We have used too many aides for too long and the terrible grammar of many of the graduates reflects this. I even have heard some of the staff and faculty speak incorrectly as this has actually become ingrained over several generations at this point. Aides are nice and well meaning, don't get me wrong,but they are not teachers and are being used too many times to replace them instead of aiding the teacher. You need that teacher to correct students when they incorrectly conjugate sentence structure and when the aides do the same thing, it reinforces poor English. computers won't help there either. Need to hear more what they are going to do about their D grade and not bus garage. Good luck y'all. I've been saying this for years but always been the outsider. It's only gotten worse over the years, removing curriculum director position, downgrading the importance of academics and shifting positions from within. Again not saying that people in those positions aren't doing their best, but we keep taking them from within and not using a bigger pool to choose from. I have left Clay County. I augmented my kids education outside the county while we lived there so they did not only have Clay Community school education and I fought tooth and nail for them to be in the most advanced courses the school had as most are just shuffled into the system like cattle if they aren't aware of the school's deficits.

Have a good day.

-- Posted by Jenny Moore on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 12:31 AM

I wonder when the board will vote itself

another raise ??????

-- Posted by patriotgames on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 12:19 PM

I am told that there is at least one piece of property in Clay County that the board refused to look at. It has a huge metal building, several acres and is not in a residental area.

-- Posted by former Clay Countian on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 4:16 PM

Several questions come up in this particular property. First off, isn't this property the one that Mr. Misner and Mr. Reberger said was not a good site for the bus garage. I have driven by the site and wonder first off, is it big enough for the fleet of buses. Second, what do the people that work at the bus garage feel about it.

The second question would be, what about the property by the new administration building? They could build one that would be exactly what they want. It has seemed that Mr. Scherb cannot make up his mind on this issue. Who is the leading force in this property?

Finally, Mrs. Moore, I am offended at your generalization that all students, staff, and graduates do not use proper English. It is my understanding that they do offer English classes to help with this manner. Are you a school employee to have first hand knowledge of this? Statements like this poison the minds of the public. In recalling all of your posts concerning education, is there anything you have liked, approved of, or supported a decision? Casting stones in a pond creates a ripple effect that you cannot stop. Stop casting stones without all the information.

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 9:28 PM

I have to agree with Dan on this one. The property does not sound like a good one to me, if both people with the most knowledge and experience, do not feel it is good for the needs of the corporation. Instead of spending all the money that is being spent for a property that will not be effective, spend it to make one that is exactly what Mr. Misner and Mr. Reberger feel is best. We need to utilize their knowledge and experience to get the most "bang for our buck".

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 9:39 PM

@ Jenny Moore....You might want to read through your own post before you begin correcting others on their grammer and sentence structure. Your post is full of grammatical and punctuation errors. Please do not tell me you did this on purpose to prove a point. I read your posts often, and you are constantly saying how uneducated people are. Look in the mirror. Constructive criticism is always helpful, but complaining and whining is obnoxious. Correct yourself and your attitude before you harp on others.

-- Posted by ynm_gop on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 8:12 AM

The bus garage needs to be somewhere larger

than it is now. I think the board is right to move

but the Wiiliams property is not large enough either.

-- Posted by patriotgames on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 9:49 PM

The bus garage needs to be somewhere larger

than it is now. I think the board is right to move

but the Wiiliams property is not large enough either.

-- Posted by patriotgames on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 9:49 PM

This has been an issues for the CCSB for about 3 years! They can never decide on a bus garage!

Number one, the Williams property isn't in the condition to buy. It will need LOTS of work before they even move in there and they appraised the property at MUCH less than what they are asking for it. In my opinion, they just need to take the money that they are going to invest in a piece of crap building and just build one that is to their specifications so we don't have to worry about all the "FIXES" and it will be right and OSHA approved. Mr. Sherb says that he doesn't want to make a quick decision but what's the rush now with wanting to get this over with?

Has anyone on the school board even been in the current bus garage and compared it to the williams building? there really isn't that much of a difference. I have, and i know that they are about equal.

and Dagnabbitt- are you really serious about building a bus garage on the Legion parking lot!?!?!?!? Have you been in a bus? Do you know the turing radius of a bus? That is not going to happen! And don't even think about the property next to the legion, because that will eventually become new condos i'm sure...

oh and Mr Sherb...."It's time to start focusing on educational issues." you won't have any educational issues if your students cant get to school safely!! Because i can guarantee that 75% of your students ride one of the CCSC buses to school.

-- Posted by FireWife27 on Thu, Nov 17, 2011, at 1:14 PM

While we have to respect the decision of the people that were elected to do so for CCSC, people seemed to have some interesting questions and concerns. I still have a couple? I would be interested in this building as well, but I was told that the building was a tear down and relocate in 2000, is this correct?. Also, the electricity is Phase 3 at the pole and would cost $8,000 to move it to the building. Perhaps an open house and discussion forum with the board, Mr. Misner, and Mr. Reberger attending. There are just a lot too many public concerns. Does anyone diasgree with that statement?

-- Posted by Ron Archer on Thu, Nov 17, 2011, at 4:50 PM

Why don't they use that old barn by the Craig park. Use common sense and work together with other county or city departments? Sound to me that a employee of the school corp should not be involved in what would be a conflict of interest.

-- Posted by Combat VET on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 3:50 PM

I think the board needs to go to Avon, and look at their facility to use as a model for what we need.

-- Posted by reddevil on Sat, Nov 19, 2011, at 10:07 PM

This is crazy, if you pay county taxes you should be furious about this. If you call to get a pot hole fixed they tell you there is no money....I wonder why there too busy paving the road in the park and pissing it down the drain known as the Clay County School Corp. This is our money they are spending!!!!

-- Posted by Schraderfan on Sun, Nov 20, 2011, at 8:29 PM

Wow you guys got this county all jacked up, Get a grip Clay county and EDUCATE YOURSELF. YOUR CHILDREN ARE LOSING THE WAR FOR their future.

-- Posted by Combat VET on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 9:18 AM

They are losing the are losing the war because of a failed education system and lack of discipline.

-- Posted by Schraderfan on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 7:08 PM


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