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Council provides loan to golf course

Thursday, December 1, 2011

Brazil City Attorney Traci Lawson
The Brazil City Council met Wednesday and discussed a temporary loan to the Forest Park Golf Course, as well as the placing of handicap signs and spots in the city.

The golf course, which is owned by the city, is a department just like the police, fire or water, and is in financial trouble.

City Attorney Traci Lawson explained further to the council and those in attendance what the temporary loan entailed.

"This is the money we talked about the last time (we met) for the golf course," Lawson said. "Because they need a little bit of money to pay their bills through the end of the year and keep them afloat, until they get some changes in place and get some revenue coming in for next year."

According to Lawson, the transaction will take place through an interfund transfund.

"I've done it as an interfund transfer for $20,000 from (the) Rainy Day (Fund)," she said. "... and that has to be repaid back by the end of the fiscal year for the time they're taking it out."

Lawson also said the golf board conducted a meeting Monday and is taking steps to make some changes to fix their cash flow in the coming years and they're hopeful they won't have to use all of the $20,000.

The golf board has also assured the council the problem will be fixed.

Brazil City Clerk-Treasurer Karen McQueen
Clerk-Treasurer Karen McQueen noted the golf course has been given $10,000 so this loan is technically only for another $10,000, and she would rather give them less than more because the likelihood of the golf course paying back by the end of the year is slim.

McQueen then elaborated on the $10,000 that's already been given to the course.

"The golf course had absolutely no money for payroll, checks would have bounced, and I could have not paid their bills, but then there would have been finance charges and late fees," McQueen said.

Lawson said there are provisions that allow payback schedules to be modified in certain situations.

"Indiana law states that interfund transfers must be paid by Dec. 31, but if a problem arises, payback can be extended for up to six months," Lawson said.

The council decided to see where the golf course stood at the end of December and voted on Resolution No. 15-2011.

The vote passed by a 3-0-2 vote. Council members Steve Lamb and Pat Heffner abstained.

Meanwhile, the council voted on and passed Ordinance No. 18-2011, which will place a handicap sign at 27 E. Church Street.

The council also voted on and passed Ordinance No. 19-2011, which was a request from a citizen for a handicap parking spot to be placed at 512 E. Blaine Street.

The Brazil City Council meets regularly on the second Wednesday of each month at 7 p.m., at Brazil City Hall.

Its next meeting is scheduled for 7 p.m., Wednesday, Dec. 14.

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I really don't understand, City giving money to the Golf Course, can anyone help? it is giving when you don't except them to pay it back, right?

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Thu, Dec 1, 2011, at 10:18 PM

What a waste of city money!!!!

-- Posted by repub 12 on Thu, Dec 1, 2011, at 11:18 PM

It looks like two people didn't vote... is it because they were voted off? The golf course is a beautiful asset to the city.... why wouldn't we take care of it? It does sound like something needs to be done with the revenue though...

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 1:32 AM

with all the problems brazil has, other businesses closing, streets, buildings in not so great shape, the town itself could use some paint, not sure but it looks like not even 10% of the people in Brazil use it.and its winter , why call it a loan, because we know it wont be paid back. I am 1 of the 10%m by the way.WHY the Golf Course?

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 7:11 AM


First of all, I was NOT voted off the council. I did not run for a council seat.

Secondly, the golf course IS beautiful.

Thirdly, but I am tired of hearing so many supporters of the golf course say it is not taxpayers supported. That's bull, IMO. If it's not, then ask the members for the 20G loan.

And lastly, I abstained from voting on this "loan" because I know the present council worked very hard at reducing the city debt from $900,000 to approximately $100,000 in FOUR years. There was not enough of this positive note reported. We hoped to have the debt eliminated by the end of this year. I could not see incurring a new debt for the incoming council when everyone at the meeting pretty much knows the golf board loan will not be paid off by the end of the year.

Thank you,

Steve Lamb

-- Posted by steve47834 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 9:10 AM

I for one never said the golf course wasnt nice, I'm asking why the golf course and not other parts of the town.in 4 years $900,000 to $100,000 thats great but now more debt, don't really make cents to me.At Guess there are alot of Deals made while playing golf.

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 10:53 AM

Wow....the attorney calls it a loan, Ms. McQueen said she has already "given them $10,000 so this loan is technically only for another $10,000, and she would rather give them less than more because the likelihood of the golf course paying back by the end of the year is slim." Am I the only one confused?

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 11:03 AM

Maybe the golf course will pay the loan money towards the water bill they owe and never pay on.

-- Posted by driverdude on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:03 PM

As a taxpayer to Brazil City I don't support giving or loaning money to the golf course. It does not pay PROPERTY TAXES, NO BRAZIL WATER OR SEWER FEES. Salaries and maintenance supplies are the only cost to operate. Any other golf course would thrive in a similar situation. I recommend leasing it to a private firm to operate and see how it does financially.

Is it true that the golf course has already borrowed $50,000.00 from a bank??

-- Posted by leelie on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 1:25 PM

Although I do not play golf, I do support the city funding of the course.

Taking care of a city, encompasses a lot more than just the streets, utilities, and businesses we all stop and eat or buy our gas at. It means taking care of business, industry, entertainment, and even aesthetics. By keeping up our golf course, we are inviting people from several counties away to come and spend money in our city. That money eventually pays in dividends over the long run.

Whether this money is a loan, or not, it really does not matter. Firstly, it is not a huge sum of money. Secondly, because it is not a large sum of money, it will actually be repaid to the people and businesses of the city in short time from those people that come into town to play golf.

I am always seeing people comment on how they dislike it when the city spends money on such things as parks, the pool, golf course, and even decorations around town. However, how many of you would also complain about how bad the city looked, or how there is nothing to do, if the city did not work to keep these things up?

-- Posted by olmedic on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 11:28 AM

maybe the city could give/loan me money for my business then. I promise not to pay it back but I will shop in Brazil unless I can get it cheaper somewhere else..LOL

Look at the Pool and Park , I really don't see what they have done beside the crappy job on the road and that wasnt even the city.

the point is the city isn't keeping up , they are loaning money to something that doesnt pay taxes,h20,and another comment:Is it true that the golf course has already borrowed $50,000.00 from a bank?? if this comment was true, looks like poor management to me. Waste of money but I'm sure someone's pocket is getting full.

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 1:51 PM

fix the dam streets so we can drive on them

-- Posted by 2amigos on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 2:29 PM

I feel that the city officials should take a long look at where this money is going once those in charge of the golf course have it in hand. Is this money being properly managed???? I find it hard to beleive the golf course can't be self supporting.

I read a comment suggesting the golf course be leased to an outside company. That doesn't sound like a bad idea for the city officials to at least consider. I lease a building for my business for $750 a month....$9000 a year. Nearly the loan amount to the golf course that the city would see as profit.

This community needs the golf course, the pool, the parks, etc... to be a thriving community. All these take money to have them in our community. Paving the street in Forst Park was a VERY good thing to happen.

Just my thoughts on this matter

-- Posted by jddriver on Sun, Dec 4, 2011, at 1:52 PM

I agree with Mr. Lamb and the others who voted not to give the loan. I thought we voters were told that the gulf course was self supporting and tax payers never paid a penney in taxes to support them. When did things change??

-- Posted by Tracy Jones on Sun, Dec 4, 2011, at 7:27 PM

As a tax paying owner of a golf course I would be willing to lease Forest Park GC for $1. The city would be in the black and I would be deeper in debt.

-- Posted by James M on Mon, Dec 5, 2011, at 6:00 PM

What were the salaries for the golf course staff? If my memory is right they were paid more then our local law enforcement...correct me if I'm wrong

-- Posted by Thud on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 9:45 AM

Seriously? People come from far and wide to play golf in Brazil? I'd like to see the Guest Registry.

-- Posted by Emmes on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 11:16 AM

not sure if there is a bar there or not , if so open it up people might not play golf @ night or winter but theres alway drinkers

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 3:08 PM

Actually, Emmes. There are lots that come from other counties. Most golfers, myself included, enjoy playing many different courses. It's a very social sport. I meet up with friends at courses near them, and they often come to Brazil to play here. It gives us a chance to change scenery.

-- Posted by Oldtown on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 7:57 PM

I suggest people call the golf board president(Greg Mullinex) who has been president of this board for two yrs. and ask him what the problem is and why they won't fix it. The money problems have gotten out of hand and the board doesn't seem to want to fix it.

-- Posted by clycogrl on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 8:34 PM

this sickens me, giving well loaning ,knowing it won't be paid back to a golf course when there are Better ways/ in need that could use it.

FORECLOSURE is the answer!

There are lots that come from other counties. not enough !

-- Posted by carebuttonbroke on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 9:25 PM

it sounds like it is just a distribution of funds from a fund that may have enough to barrow from... which sounds like a great plan in order to keep our golf course beautiful.

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 11:11 PM

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