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State action pleases Brown

Thursday, January 12, 2012

Clay County Tobacco Coalition Director Kandace Brown
The approval of a bill by an Indiana House Committee Wednesday was music to the ears of Kandace Brown.

The committee approved a bill for a "broad" statewide smoking ban.

For a handful of years, Brown -- The Clay County Tobacco Coalition Director -- has approached the Brazil City Council, typically at the beginning of the year, asking for such a proposal.

This year, Brown said she is pleased she may not need to.

"This will impact what is going on in Brazil," Brown said. "We've waited on this for six years. We are very hopeful.

"This is the first time that (the proposal) has passed through the House. There's definitely stronger momentum. The majority seems to be in favor. It's been a long battle these past six years."

The Indiana House of Representatives Health Committee voted 9-3 in favor of the bill only after adding an exemption for retail tobacco shops.

According to the Associated Press, the bill would prohibit smoking in most public places and workplaces, including bars.

However, the bill would allow smoking only on gambling floors of casinos, fraternal and veterans clubs and cigar and hookah lounges.

State Rep. Eric Turner (R-Cicero) authored the bill. In the past, the House Health Committee, under the guidance of Charlie Brown (D-Gary) has passed a smoking ban. However, the bill has repeatedly died in the Senate.

While the bill now goes into full debate, Brown said she believes it could be passed, especially with the Super Bowl taking place in Indianapolis in February.

"With the Super Bowl, there's been a lot of publicity of Indiana not stepping up to the plate with its forward thinking," she said. "With (the Super Bowl) coming up, they want to step this up.

"There is a strong movement toward having this done before the Super Bowl. At this time, we are very pleased with the comprehensive wording of (the bill)."

As of November 2011, a total of 27 states nationwide have enacted statewide smoking bans. Currently, Indiana is one of 11 states that have not taken action. Other states across the nation with no smoking ban policy include Alabama, Alaska, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, West Virginia and Wyoming.

However, the Indiana Clean Indoor Air Law, established in 1993, prohibits smoking in state government buildings, schools, healthcare facilities, fire and police stations, childcare and daycare facilities, healthcare provider offices and more.

Still, Brown said she is pleased the state appears poised to take action.

"I had a good feeling about this year," she said. "But you just don't know. We thought that last year, there was strong momentum. But we're more hopeful this year."

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Wonderful. One more thing that the government is sticking their noses into. When are we going to reclaim our liberties? We are not. We are loosing to tyranny slowly everyday. Wake up people. We have the government telling us what kind of light bulbs we can buy. What kind of fuel economy a new car has to have. How many gallons of water your toilet can use. How much phosphate your soap has to have. What kind of additives have to be in your fuel. How much they will pay your doctor for services. Medicare is the biggest denier of claims. What service you have to mail your letters with. Our government is OUT OF CONTROL. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

-- Posted by Conservative Dad on Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 7:01 PM

Well conservative dad what do you think the republican party is anymore, they want to dictate what they want you to do and the only way to do this is enact all this ridiculous laws that we have lived without since our country was founded

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 9:22 PM

Brazil C. you have it all wrong. It is not the Republicans. It is the Democrats.

-- Posted by xray on Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 10:48 PM


-- Posted by skooby on Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 10:53 PM

It is both! The two parties have slightly different methods but the results are the same: loss of rights and choices. I'm a non-smoker but I totally oppose this!!! If they can get away with this then theyll just keep taking more.

-- Posted by ClayPrepper on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 12:07 AM

America has definitely devolved into two very distinct groups, however, they are not separated by the labels, "Democrat" and "Republican". America has divided into the "Rulers", those who get elected to high office and then believe that they should be in charge of everything including our daily lives, and the "Ruled"!

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 4:11 AM

I agree with Leo. We can point fingers all day and say Republioan and Democrat, because that's what the establishment wants us to do. Rulers and Ruled are good terms, but I would add Elite and Priveledged to the list. Those 2 terms are not meant in a financial sense; instead they refer to people who think they know what is best for us commoners.

It isn't a party thing, its a power thing.

-- Posted by RDK on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 5:45 AM

Indiana is a Republican controlled state. Yes, some Democrats will also support this bill, but still it is fact that it cannot pass without Republican support.

-- Posted by ClayCountyGuy on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM

Why is it that they can pass this Bill when we have strangers coming to town,and they couldn't get it passed for the Citizens that put them in Office?

-- Posted by sierrabloom on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 8:16 AM

A smoking ban is good thing for a healthier Indiana. Dem or Rep.

-- Posted by Combat VET on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 8:28 AM

As soon as I read the word "hookah" in this article, red flags went up. Google it. It can't lead to anything but negative things.

The request for a smoking ban has been presented to the city council several times. I would have voted against it, not because I am a former smoker, but because I think the government wants too much control over our private actions. If smoking is to be banned in Indiana, then BAN IT, but do not allow it in specific places. Before you know it, all places could be identified as "fraternal" clubs, members only. There was a private club in Terre Haute one time on Wabash Avenue. I heard they served the best steaks in town, but you had to be a member to eat there. I asked how I could become a member and was told go in and ask for a membership card... I did. Not only did they serve steaks, but the most popular poker and other gambling games were served up there.

After smoking, seat belts, car fuel, mandatory insurance and light bulbs, can not wearing a certain color shirt be far behind because that color offends someone? Where does it end?

-- Posted by steve47834 on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 10:06 AM

I kinow every politician has an agenda. I don't believe that they are trying to control what you do with your life. I can tell you first hand what smokeing does for one. I watched my father and two of my brothers die from this habbit, was it their right to smoke, yes. We as a City, state, country, owe it to the ones who choose not to smoke to be in an enviroment where we don't have to be exposed. I am a 37yr veteran and I belive in this country, but I don't belive I have the right to hurt other people. I think you can smoke outdoors if you want, and yes I am a former smoker, and not a politician.

-- Posted by Eaglesnest 1 on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 12:36 PM

Eaglesnest....thank you for stating the obvious. Why does it come down to "RIGHTS" of the smoker? There is no right to smoke....or poison people. Employers are required to offer a safe working environment. Working in a smoky area is not safe, so the smoke free policy is helping keep people safe .....you people have problems with safety? with better health? longer lives?

-- Posted by Take Action on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 2:20 PM

Eaglesnest...you said it, and I agree with you 100%

steve47834...the shirt comment, while meant to be an exagerated comment (I think), may not actually be too far off. I have a nephew who recently went to an out-of-state adult establishment (a popular bar among the younger adult crowd) and was denied entry because he was wearing a plain, solid-colored red polo shirt. When he asked why, it was told to him that that was how gangs were now recognizing each other in public. Different solid colors represented different gangs. So to get in, he had to wear a patterned shirt.

I'm glad I grew up when I did.

-- Posted by ClayCountyGuy on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 2:23 PM

BRAZIL MOM, how incredibly ignorant and rude of you. You realize it is the one with the least research and factual information who must resort to such juvenile behavior. Excuse me, your addiction is showing.

I understand you are terrified of losing your junkie fix, but lets back up a bit, shall we? Nobody will be telling you to hand over your nicotine delivery devices. You won't have to turn to heroin just yet. Cigarettes will still be legal and you may smoke to your heart's desire...please, do.

The only change is, you will have to walk a few feet and out the door if your cold sweats hit you in public. Or is that expending too much energy? I certainly hope not, because then that would make you...lazy. Not too far a stretch between the one who eats too much and the one who is lazy huh? Except, your laziness DOES affect MY health if it prevents you from walking yourself outdoors away from my nose to smoke! Someone eating KFC or whatever isn't going to cause fat from their thigh to jump onto your own.

So please, do us all a favor, use capitol letters occcasionally (they really do add to a sentence nicely); be a considerate smoker and try not to poison your fellow human beings; and PLEASE, if you are a mom as your name says you are, use some decorum and manners and be a better example for your children. There is enough bullying in the schools, we don't need adults showing our kids how to do it right.

-- Posted by Towny on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 10:20 PM

Towny ...you put that very eloquently, I applaud you.

Such a shame that there is such ignorance and stupidity found in Clay county, in people such as "Brazil Mom"....and are actually raising children.*shudder* It's people like "Brazil Mom" that give rural communities a bad name.

As "Brazil Mom" casts her stones of denial at K.B. I must laugh, because just knowing that she is a smoker I know these things....She smells bad, she has bad breath, she more than likely has some nasty teeth, she is throwing money away on an addiction that has been known to cause cancer, probably cut years off her life, ....AND all the while make her kids sick....what a Great Mom and role model.

But thank GOD for people such as Kandace Brown, who though being criticized, bullied and beat down will still smile her smile.. AND will bring about positive change in her community. Changes that will make the community and it's people healthier and more prosperous. Thank you KB.....You are my Hero.

-- Posted by Take Action on Fri, Jan 13, 2012, at 11:23 PM

Agreed, it takes a LOT of courage to do what Ms. Brown is doing. I admire her for standing up for her convictions and not backing down because of some playground antics. I admire people like her and hope hers is the example most will follow.

-- Posted by Towny on Sat, Jan 14, 2012, at 12:17 AM

The plant itself was fine the way it was. It's the additives that cigarette makers added that made it addictive; they admitted that years ago. That's why the warnings were put on the packaging.

Although I do not agree with Kandace 100%, I'm not about to deny her rights to voice her opinion, as I wouldn't yours, BRAZIL MOM. I just hope you're not in the printing or editing business.

-- Posted by steve47834 on Sat, Jan 14, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Actually Nicotine is a >bug repellent< found in the tobacco plant.....it is the addictive DRUG in tobacco. It changes the way your brain works so IT IS A DRUG.

The Tobacco Companies add chemicals to make it more addictive and change it's normal qualities....thus making it a health hazard. Over 4000 Chemicals are found in tobacco and over 50 are known to cause cancer.

Just because God put a plant on Earth doesn't mean we are to consume it, there are many plants that are known to be poisonous...and tobacco is one of them. Go out and chew on some raw tobacco for awhile see what happens then.

I wouldn't step foot in any kind of business that allowed smoking because I know second hand smoke and third hand smoke are poisons, I just pity any employees and patrons that do go in such businesses. Not only do they get poisoned each time they go into such business...but can you imagine how bad they STINK?!

-- Posted by Take Action on Sat, Jan 14, 2012, at 7:28 PM

some reading for you BRAZIL MOM....some big words in there but hopefully you can get the point.


-- Posted by Take Action on Sat, Jan 14, 2012, at 7:41 PM

That is usually what people try and do, shift the subject to other areas, away from the point and away from tobacco. Doesn't surprise me in the least that is the tactic you havechosen. Usually just shows a lack of education on the subject at hand....in this case maybe even more so; and of course the addiction is striking out.So pathetic that you feel you have control of your life...when you are actually just a little puppet of the Tobacco Industry..and YOUR PAYING them to be your puppeteer.

All you can do is strike out at people, call names and such ...the sexual frustration line was a new one ...LOL must be really hard up for material!

The issue at hand is: a clean indoor air policy providing employees with a a healthy work environment; and ALL patrons clean air...free of tobacco smoke. Might be interesting ...in the years to come, if you are a business owner, that per chance an employee will sue you for not providing a safe work environment.

-- Posted by Take Action on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 3:20 PM

Smokers are blind to what they are doing to others,no use in argueing with them.Hope the state can get this bill through.Keep up the good work Kandace.

-- Posted by brzmm on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 3:50 PM

Dont smoke, never have; but I do own a business and it is my right to determine who I want to make my business available to. If I put a sign in MY business that says "no smoking" that is my right, and it is your right to turn around and go somewhere else. The same as it is my right to allow smoking and you have the right to not enter and take your business somewhere else.

Bottom line: If you dont like smoking, dont go to businesses that allow it. But I dont want government telling me what to do with my business.

-- Posted by lifehasitsmoments on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 4:11 PM

hmmm that is interesting , because I know all businesses have many codes to follow, health codes fire codes etc....do you follow those LIFEHASITSMOMENTS ? So, if your following the codes to provide a safe business ...how is this any different? The fact is ..it is not....it's just different, it's new and people don't "get it" because it has always been normal behavior to poison people with second hand smoke...and times, they are a changin.....

-- Posted by Take Action on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 5:04 PM

The only place around here you can really smoke in is the bars. Everyone knows it's smokey in there and if they don't like it, it's simple, don't go! I don't think it's fair to the owners at all. And I also don't feel like cigarettes are a junkie fix either , Take Action. Get off your high horse! And as for codes for providing a safe business, get real. You go to a bar to drink. And I agree lifehasitmoments

-- Posted by SKCC on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 9:54 PM

Actually no pollution is not the subject..it is smoking and Great Dane is not a smoke free environment...that's probably another reason for accidents out there, distracted because they are going through withdrawal. The military is trying to help their people quit, all government buildings are smoke free and many military bases are smoke free. As for fast food, well that addiction doesn't carry second hand issues...In other words>>>>> SORRY that fight is a joke. Cancer is just one killer...COPD, Heart disease, buergers disease are killers....then of course there is the macular degeneration, osteoporosis, respiratory diseases,asthma, ear infections, not to mention that it ruins your immune system so you cannot fight off everyday run of the mill problems like the flu and cold.

Ruins your skin, ruins your hair, destroys your vocal cords...But see, I really don't care if you smoke.... really, smoke away...spend the $2,000 a year or more on your addiction your the one paying the price with your health.... But keep it in your privately owned area...not in a public area.

Guess what no one in my family smokes :D

We are WAY to smart for the tobacco industry....

-- Posted by Take Action on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 10:57 PM

Really you know who I am?? Interesting....but sorry no one in my family smokes or chews :)

-- Posted by Take Action on Sun, Jan 15, 2012, at 11:35 PM

LOL....BELLY Laugh... Sorry I am not Kandace, Joke is ON YOU!! K. would never say anything... and she certainly wouldn't have called herself a Hero....and she is waaay classier. There are just a few choice things I could say, but I will refrain from stooping to that level. It amazes me you play the Christian card while calling me an idiot, moron, dumbass and a lier.....and what does that make you? Hypocrite possibly?

Here's something else you evidently don't know much about, Grace....I am saved by Grace...by Jesus blood....and I am forgiven of any sin.

-- Posted by Take Action on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 12:11 AM

Hey BRAZIL MOM, if your business plan at your so called "establishment" hinges on letting people smoke, you may want to re think things. Again, while Average Joe and Jane can pick and choose wether or not to enter your "establishment" the people who work there don't have that luxury, and don't go on a tirade about having free will to work wherever. In this economy NOBODY has that luxury. You say ALL of your workers smoke, but what if one gets sick and finally decides to quit or risk life threatening health issues. Will you look them in the eye and tell them, "Too bad, the cigarettes come first."? Its not like you are being told smokers cannot enter your establishment, just their smoke.

If we are to think the way you do, there would be NO laws. Drinking and driving should be legal, refrigerators at restaurants can be kept at whatever temp management chooses because, hell, they own the refregerator don't they? How about just meeting the Health Department at the door next time they come calling to do an inspection? Make them leave. They are trespassing, after all.

SKCC, it is EXACTLY a junkie fix. I am a former smoker, I have experienced it. What else would make an otherwise sane person miss a flight or burn their friends with the tip of their nicotine delivery device? What else makes young mothers choose their fix rather than that package of diapers their baby needs. I've seen it. The only difference between heroin and cigarettes: heroin is illegal. They are nearly equal in addictiveness.

Don't believe me, just ask BRAZIL MOM. The woman is nearly foaming at the mouth because of FEAR she won't be able to shoot up, er, inhale in the comfort of her "establishment" anymore.

-- Posted by Towny on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 12:17 AM

Toooooo funny Brazil Mom....sorry to burst your bubble...Not even close, and if I were Kandace ...how would that make my argument bogus???

Towny...I think she is foaming at the mouth and she is totally confused....must need a cig.

Save some money, save some lives quit smoking.

But again...no freedoms are being taken away with a smoke free policy... smoke away...just not IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

-- Posted by Take Action on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 12:42 AM


I am a smoker and I have never "missed a flight" or burned a friend. I have watched the show intervention "heroin episode" and um no the 2 are not alike. As for the employees of the establishment. If they have a problem with working in an environment where people smoke I don't think they would apply to work there.

-- Posted by SKCC on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 12:51 AM

Oh my you really haven't a clue do you Brazil Mom....if Kandace does read this she is going to have such a good laugh...

SKCC ...have you ever flown?

-- Posted by Take Action on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 12:59 AM

No I m terrified of hights but I know what your getting at. I have went hours and hours without smoking... I don't go crazy.

-- Posted by SKCC on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 1:15 AM

SKCC,Well sorry your terrified of heights it really is an awesome,awesome feeling.

I believe what Towny was getting at was they had been a smoker and had been in a situation where they did have a break down , especially getting ready to board a plane and had to go have a smoke "to calm" the nerves...

And again Brazil Mom...I am not Kandace not sure why you think this...you evidently don't know her at all, which makes this all the more Hilarious!

-- Posted by Take Action on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 1:48 AM

Indiana has a history of passing laws that make no sense. They passed a seatbelt law, but not a helmet law. Isn't that kind of going in two directions at once? Even the city has some really strange old ordnances on the books, like it is unlawful to tie your horse within so many feet of a corner. Or it is unlawful to bath in a horse troth. Oh and my favorite is it is unlawful to sell comic books within the City of Brazil.

Fact is, not all laws are silly. A state wide smoking ban is not a silly law. It protects non smokers from breathing other peoples poison. Why is that so hard to understand? You wouldn't let someone bring a gun to your business and shoot flies on the wall would you? Not much differnce, you may never hit, hurt or kill anyone, but then again you could. Same with smoking, could be no one gets harmed but do you really want to take that chance? You want to smoke, then smoke! Just do it where you're not creating a hazard for someone else.

I'm a smoker, I have smoked for over 40 years, but I sure don't want to harm anyone else. I can and do take it outside!

Everyone has to do what they think is right, and I think Kandace is doing just that, what she thinks is right!

Problem is everyone thinks they are right! That's why we have laws!

If you don't smoke I applaud you.

If you do smoke, go outside!

BRAZIL MOM, your comments are not helping your cause.

Folks its a different world these days.

-- Posted by driverdude on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 8:02 AM

Take Action I respect your opinion, but I also have a right to my own. My business is not food related and is small in nature but I still reserve the right to allow smoking in my building.

Yes there are numerous codes, rules and laws and we abide by them as close and we can. We will also follow this law, but that does not mean that I am not allowed to have an opinion about the law. Along with those laws I also pay taxes (too many) and therefore I have the right to express my opinion just the same as you.

I think Brazil Mom has different reasons for her opinions, but they are his/her opinion no matter what his/her method of delivery is.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

-- Posted by lifehasitsmoments on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 6:14 PM

Evidently, someone at the paper did not like Brazil Moms form of delivery....

-- Posted by Take Action on Mon, Jan 16, 2012, at 11:03 PM

Clay County Would love to know what "Brazil Mom" had to say.. Where are these postings?



-- Posted by BUSINESS on Tue, Jan 17, 2012, at 12:18 AM

When you do not have very good use of the English language and have to stoop to name calling and derogatory remarks it usually gets removed on a public site that has rules that state ....

Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read.

Many Grandmas would have been ashamed of what BRAZIL MOM was leaving as comments.

-- Posted by Take Action on Tue, Jan 17, 2012, at 8:50 AM

WOW!! They removed BRAZIL MOM?! And I didn't even get a chance to say 'goodbye'. *sniff*

I have no problem with other peoples' opinions, that's what makes life interesting. Its when people take it to a level that is degrading not only to themselves, but everyone else that is uncalled for.

-- Posted by Towny on Tue, Jan 17, 2012, at 9:44 AM

This is an interesting and very controversial topic. Some of the issues seem to come down to health, rights, and opinions of what is right. The health issue must be honestly addressed despite of one's personal choice or opinion. Time and time again, researchers have found that smoking and second hand smoking can lead to various health issues, including but not limited to, heart decease, lung cancer, emphysema, and much more. Yes, there are cases where people do not die from such deceases even though they have been exposed to tobacco smoke all their life but the risk for decease is still too high to ignore for both smokers and non-smokers alike. Next comes the issue about rights. We must, no matter whether we like it or not, acknowledge that in any multi-sided issue someone is not going to be happy. It seems nowadays that most arguments are about having the right to do one thing or another rather than arguing for what is right despite one's own feelings. I feel it is best to just leave these questions for the readers. Is it more acceptable for a smoker to be able to eat anywhere they please having the choice of both smoking friendly restaurants and smokeless restaurants (just as long as they smoke outside) and non-smokers either deal with the smoking environment in some restaurants or just be limited to smoke free restaurants because of health issues? Or is it more acceptable to have all establishments smoke free and both smokers and non-smokers alike can enjoy every establishment (just as long as the smokers smoke outside)? I can understand the inconvenience of smoking outside rather when ever and where ever you want but I can also understand the inconvenience of having to breath toxic fumes in order to work or shop/eat at a smoke friendly environment or try to find somewhere else to work or shop/eat just because one cares about one's health too much. There is much that can be said on this topic but I must keep my comment as short as possible. Nonetheless, I hope that this comment makes sense and that this discussion goes on with more honest dialogue rather than competition of who can scream the loudest.

-- Posted by JustinBDeal on Tue, Jan 17, 2012, at 8:09 PM

LOL i would dare say the ones doing the screaming are brazil mom and takeaction they must be one of the elite to want things their own way as evident by the postings

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Wed, Jan 18, 2012, at 12:49 AM

No screaming here, just the facts.

-- Posted by Take Action on Wed, Jan 18, 2012, at 1:55 AM

Wow what a very spirited debate that's always good..Proud of you Brazil....

-- Posted by Combat VET on Fri, Jan 20, 2012, at 11:30 AM

One of the top tourist states takes a different view.... diversity.... they leave this decision up to business owners...they are as diverse as there customers. Yes u can smoke inside. Freedom of choice

-- Posted by Thud on Sun, Jan 22, 2012, at 9:55 PM

As a smoker, I am completely opposed to smoking in public places. That means that smokers cannot smoke in places such as gov. buildings.

However, a private business is NOT a public building. That means, restaurants, bars, and any other establishment owned and operated by a private individual.

By passing this law, we are giving control of private industry to government. Why on earth would we want to do that? Isn't that completely against American beliefs?

If you want to smoke, fine. Do not do it in a public building where every person has a right to be.

If you do not smoke, and do not want to be enclosed in a building with smoke, then by all means, go to a public building or private establishment that does not allow it.

But, DO NOT allow government control of private industry, just because you feel you have some right to enter a private business and then dictate to the owner what they can or cannot allow inside.

This whole thing makes me want to open a business and ban all non-smokers. Why? Just because I can.

-- Posted by Oldtown on Sun, Jan 22, 2012, at 10:53 PM

Maybe we should also ban all restaurants from serving anything made with grease, or has a high calorie content. By the logic of this law, it is a health risk and therefore, we have to protect people that are not smart enough to stay away from places that serve it.

We could also ban people from wearing perfume and deodorant. After all, there are some people with allergies to it, and it poses a health risk.

Laws like this are just as absurd as my suggestions.

-- Posted by Oldtown on Sun, Jan 22, 2012, at 10:59 PM

Oldtown - They have pretty much banned peanut butter in the schools because some kids might be alergic. My choices are constantly being limited by the small minds of a few people. Politicians and power hungry people use safety and security to steal the rights of the majority while using the support of the majority to steal the rights of the minority.

...oh, and it is perfectly legal to allow people to shoot the flies off the wall.

...oh, and I would let people do it.

...oh, and the employees DO have a choice: you didn't have to work here, you can work somewhere else. No one FORCED anyone to work somewhere. Its my buisiness. If you don't like it, working for it or buying from it, get out!!!

This is more about property rights than anything. The fact is the corporate state thinks it owns your land, your car, your business and YOU. And each rule they make proves it over and over.

Oh, and did I mention I HATE SMOKING! Its the most disgusting, the most unhealthy thing you can do to yourself. But, if you want to do it, *IT*IS*YOUR*RIGHT* and it shoudl be *MY* right to allow you to or not, in my business.

...and also, I don't allow smoking in my business. Why? For all the reasons above BUT THAT IS MY BUSINESS, NOT THE STATES!

I am not for smokers rights. I'm for the natural rights of the natural persons inhabiting this land. The state's fake authority should be ignored.

-- Posted by ClayPrepper on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 2:14 PM

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