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Concerns raised over proposal

Wednesday, February 15, 2012

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Brazil resident Michelle Burk speaks with the employees of Dave O' Mara Contractor, Inc., concerning the address mistake in the original permit. Burk's father, Edward Ruhe, owns the property of the address used in the original permit. Amy Boswell, O' Mara's vice president and director of business administration, apologized for the mistake, saying it was never her intention to cause problems for Burk or her father. [Order this photo]
A packed house of citizens voiced concerns of a proposed temporary asphalt plant at a special meeting Wednesday at Brazil City Hall.

Dave O'Mara Contractor Inc., North Vernon, will operate the plant at 2712 W. State Road 340, which is zoned open industrial.

On hand to represent the company was Dan O'Mara, vice president and chief financial officer, Amy Boswell, vice president and director of business administration and Josh Shaw, general plant manager.

O'Mara first gave some background on the company.

"We were started in 1975," O'Mara said. "We've been doing construction (since then), and we've been doing asphalt work since 1987.

"We're located in 22 counties; we have 11 asphalt plants, (and) we've been looking around at a couple sites. This site seems to be the one that we felt was a commercial site that fit our needs. I see there have been some concerns, and that's why we came out here today to answer any concerns you might have for an asphalt plant ... out here on this property."

Originally, O'Mara's process derailed when he filed the permit under the wrong address and owner of the proposed site.

"I think we got the wrong address from 911; we cleared that up (Tuesday)," O'Mara said.

Of the main dissenters of the proposed plan were Eric Stearley and his associate Jason Layne.

Stearley pointed out one reason he is opposing the plant is because of where his land is in relation to where the plant will be operating.

"My land is the one that is on the east side of that factory road that starts on 340 and goes back clear to the plant," Stearley said. "As far as being affected by the road standpoint, I'm the number one (person affected)."

Layne said the plant would also affect his family because his kids swim and play in the land adjacent to where the plant would be located.

Other citizens voiced concerns on how emissions and pollutants the plant might give off would affect those who live near the plant.

One resident believed O'Mara "couldn't have picked a worse place" for the plant because of the traffic it would cause.

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Speaking at the meeting was Mayor Brian Wyndham and representing Dave O' Mara Contractor, Inc., (from left) Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Dan O' Mara, Vice President and Director of Business Administration Amy Boswell and General Plant Manager Josh Shaw. [Order this photo]
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Concerned citizens (from left) Jason Layne and Eric Stearley represented county residents who are against the asphalt plant. [Order this photo]
"We live on 340, every morning from 7:30-8:30 your plant would have trucks pulling out," the resident said. "When (the last industrial business was there), I know how the trucks pulled out on that road, and there wasn't even a school there then.

"That is a horrible, horrible situation you're going to create, and (then) the same thing in the afternoon from 2:30-3:30. That road is constant traffic; you couldn't have picked a worse place in Clay County to put this plant, as in endangering our children ... and they will be endangered by your trucks and the emissions from all the chemicals that you have."

Boswell responded to why that area was chosen.

"It was really because it was a commercial (zoned) site," Boswell said.

O'Mara added he estimated the plant could see as much as 20 trucks making rounds on a heavy day, but that the plant doesn't operate daily or year round.

O'Mara continued the explanation.

"I don't know when the last time they did the zoning was, but what we were told through somebody trying to get us here (the owners of the property in question) ... (they were) trying to get this site ready for somebody, if not me, somebody can come ... they made sure they zoned it correctly, they made sure they got a grant for the phase 1 and 2," O'Mara said. "I mean they really developed this place for somebody to come in with a lot less headaches than other places will be, and that's kind of what drove us here ... maybe the city should have done something a long time ago; I don't know why they were trying to promote it or whoever when they zoned it."

According to Brazil City Planning and Zoning administrator Stacy Gibbens the land was zoned Dec. 21, 2011, and the bid for the land was submitted Dec. 27.

"The planning commission had no knowledge (O'Mara) was coming here (when it was zoned)" Gibbens said. "The planning commission had two public hearings that were published in the paper, legally published notices, and anybody and everybody was invited to come (for the rezoning meeting)."

Layne then asked Gibbens how the property was zoned before.

"There was no zoning there whatsoever," Gibbens said. " ... The city has a two-mile radius jurisdiction and those properties outside of the city limits ... the zoning was never designated, but I had enough complaints from the people inside the two-mile radius that they wanted me to enforce a zoning code, (and) the planning commission felt like it was the right time to make the zoning so that we could enforce the zoning code.

"You can't enforce the zoning code if there's no designation on a piece of property."

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County resident Helen Shore asked the Dave O' Mara representatives how many jobs the asphalt plant would bring to the county. Many other residents asked questions and voiced their concerns during the meeting. [Order this photo]
Gibbens said industrial zoning was picked because she sits on the redevelopment commission, and she knew the area was always an industrial site.

Clay Community Schools Superintendent Kim Tucker was on hand to share her concerns on how the plant could affect local children because the site in question is within a mile of two schools.

"I wanted everyone to have a chance that lives in that area and certainly that have children going to schools respective to that area to have the chance to voice their concerns," Tucker said. "I'm here representing the school system and our school board of trustees to look into this information, and I will tell you the school system, the school administration, staff and the school community do have very, very real concerns about the implied cautionary things related to toxins in the air, runoff in the water, the traffic issue, the issue with having excessively heavy duty traffic on SR 340, which will probably result in that road not being as pristine as it is now.

"That being the minimal situation, we're going to continue to watch this because certainly we have a duty to protect our students."

O'Mara then explained how the plant would affect the air quality.

"I want to tell you that most of the air quality issues are going to be more out of the trucks (exhaust)... than it is the plant," O'Mara said, " ... the only chemical that you have is the liquid asphalt itself, which is an oil-based product, other than that you have stone, sand, gravel, and then you run natural gas on a burner."

At this time, O'Mara Contractor is waiting to receive the permit it had to re-file after the mix-up with the address.

However, according to Gibbens' knowledge, there isn't much the city can do to restrict O'Mara from setting up the plant, if they have a permit and follow the local ordinances.


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Actually, in response to the last line in this article; there is absolutely something the city can do. According to a City Ordinance #10-1980 amendment which occurred for Ordinance #12-1964 regarding industrial land uses; "No activity involving the storage, utilization or manufacture of materials or products which contain arsenic, cyanide, warfarin, strychnine or other poisonous substances shall be permitted unless specifically approved by the council." Asphalt mixtures contain arsenic and other poisonous compounds. This permit can easily be denied by officials in our city hall and, in fact, the permit is not allowed until it is officially approved by city council.

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM

Sounds to me like everyone that lives on 340 wants nobody to do anything different than what is already there. Stop the walking track, stop new industry and complain about what will happen when the state turns over the road to the County. Maybe this plant would be something good for our County. Maybe the County and City could get a break on some asphalt to repair our dilapidated streets. So let us try and make this company feel welcome here instead of trying to find every reason to stop them from building. As for Mr. Stearley if I remember correctly you lived there when it was a brick factory and should have bought it when they closed instead of Bob Romas if you wanted to stop any other factory from building there again.

-- Posted by MS440 on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 11:11 PM

It strikes me as odd how some folks want to tell other people how to feel about their health concerns. As well as concerns for the health of their children, the schools, the traffic and let's not forget about property values. It's odd that folks who do not have an asphalt plant going in next to their property have all the answers. It's okay to have an opinion on bringing "industry" here. In fact, nobody argued with having the asphalt company here. Just NOT less than a mile from our schools. If the "people of 340" want to argue that case for their reasons...that's allowed. And remember this on top of it all; this is an outfit that may only "fire up a few months at a time" according to the owners. They only have two of their own employees at the plant. And this isn't for roads in Brazil. There is virtually no economic impact. And for Mr. Stearley...he did not live there when the Brick Plant operated and the land was already purchased owned by Romas. Please get you facts straight. And how dare anyone tell someone else they should have had the money to purchase 74 acres of land! You have know idea what someons' fincancial situation is. A soccer dad should understand that a young father with two daughters might not just be able to throw out thousands of dollars to buy land despite taking care of his family. The audacity of some people!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 8:21 AM

Obviously soccerdad does not live on 340 and has absolutely no clue as to what the real effects of this new company will have in the residential community ajacent to this new plant. If Mr. O'Mara does not keep up with air quality control of his asphalt plant, (which small companies do not because they get lazy and careless and nobody on the county board has the know how on how to regulate it) it could have serious and potentially hazardous reprocutions with small children who have asthma or insufficient immune systems. It can effect the elderly with lung conditions. I think Soccerdad should buy Mr. Stearleys house if he feels that this is not a potential hazard or health threat and see what it can do to his health!!!!!!!! This plant needs to find somewhere out of a residential area and set up shop there!!!!!!!

-- Posted by clgruener on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 8:29 AM

I am appalled that someone could suggest that any resident of 340 or Brazil in general should just have purchased land! I mean..who says that with a straight face? I am a hard working, honest person who is seriously afraid for my health, the health and well being of our school children and for the value of my property. I pay my bills, take care of my land and would love to retire someday. I am in no way able to make a large purchase like that and would never expect someone else to. The zoning of this land is innappropriate for the proximity to the schools! I would hope a "soccerdad" would understand that. Nothing beyond the threat to North Clay and Northview should even matter. This plant can go to another industrial site away from any of our schools and hopefully as far away as possible from any residential area!!

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 8:31 AM

Wow! Thank you soccerdad for reminding me why it was a great move on my part to pack-up and move my children out of your town. Thank you for reminding me of the mentality of some folks that spout off at the mouth without actually saying anything! I thinks it's ridiculous to ever argue with keeping school kids safe. It's still ridiculous to argue with residents that are concerned for their health and land value, but the schools are central to concerns here. I never trusted city leadership and for city officials to not realize they can stop this is concerning. For city leadership to blindly slap an industrial zone code on some land that is in the middle of residential, general business and other non-industrial zoned areas is concerning. Folks to need to question city leadership. Know your rights, governmental procedures and how to fight this. Law suits can be placed on city decisions and court reviews of city moves can be requested. Above all else, take out your frustrations at the election box and do not let poorly run government continue. Hopefully the new Mayor is listening to the concerns for this facility.

-- Posted by Jlando on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 8:54 AM

Wabash vally asphalt use to have a plant at the same location

-- Posted by grays on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 9:04 AM

grays...please explain? When was Wabash Valley Asphalt at that location? I can't find record of it. I hope you are not just making a comment without any substance!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 9:12 AM

Yes, it was ridiculous. Some of the comments that people made showed their ignorance when it comes to air quality and toxins that are released from this type of process. An asphalt plant puts off no more emissions than the numerous school buses that pass by these peoples homes everyday. Which are unregulated, unlike Hot Mix Asphalt Plants. These plants are highly regulated by the state and federal government(EPA) and forced to comply with strict air quality regulations. I hope that O'Meara goes ahead with this project, they can bring money through the payment of taxes and the creation of jobs for people in this area. Also any paving projects in the city or county would be cheaper because of the location of this plant, it would cut down on transportation costs. The two talking heads Mr. Stearley and Mr. Layne that were representing "the people" need to be more educated on the facts concerning the dangers of living close to a HMA plant. THERE IS NO DANGER. It was almost laughable to see the people of this county chasing away a reputable business like O'Meara, when this area needs every bit of industry it can get.

-- Posted by lhshtoney on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 11:41 AM

"THERE IS NO DANGER." ?? What? Then why is a Federally Enforceable State Operating Permit from the Indiana Office of Air Quality needed? Why is the electronic version of this permit 111 pages? Is that to ensure that safe, clean air is properly emitted? Come on!? Why don't you actually read the permit and notice the allowable limits for the wide-range of volatile organic compounds and other toxic fumes that can be produced by these plants. Those two "talking heads" represented more of a voice against this than those supporting. Ask Mr. Ruhe and his daughter how many people contacted them to express their concerns when his address was listed incorrectly! The opposition for this project far out-weighs those looking for a buck or two in economic benefit!!!!

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:15 PM

Maybe it is time this community consider county-wide zoning....

-- Posted by fiscallyresponsible on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:43 PM

I do know what I am talking about. I know more than anyone else that was at that meeting besides the O'Mara's because I work in an industry that works in conjunction with the Hot Mix Asphalt Industry. There are numerous HMA Plants at my company's various sites across the country. Our plant in Bloomington, IN has had a HMA plant 100 yards from our main office for 30 years and is now an O'Mara plant. I presently work with individuals that work in the HMA industry for over 30 years who are directly involved in the production of hot mix asphalt. They do not suffer from any illnesses or longterm effects from working in this industry. You can't argue with people that actually have firsthand knowledge as apposed to random information found on the internet.

-- Posted by lhshtoney on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:49 PM

I believe what this is called is progress. Why start now? Run 'em out of town. We don't need factories sprouting up around here. They create jobs and stuff.

-- Posted by My Dime on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:57 PM

A resident on 340 has tried to buy that property for years and Romas' have refused to sell. An offer to buy the property would not solve the problem.

-- Posted by clala on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:58 PM

I'm looking at this from an outside perspective. I don't live in Brazil, but have many friends from that area. It's easy to see the problem; 1 side of folks want the potential business impact and the other side are fearful of the pollution. I thinks it's clear there could be an economic impact and I think it's clear there could be environmental dangers. With that said, the issue at hand is the location. The close proximity to the schools is the main culprit. How about this...if folks believe that Dave O'Mara & company is a reputable, safe outfit - would it be a far stretch to assume they could make a moral decision to sacrifice moving to the best location for them and one that is best for the city? At the very least, best for the school children?Could the city help with finding another industrial zone that is certainly not that close to those schools or so close to residents? I would assume; those that want the economic impact and are not worried about the location would be fine with a different site. It's also safe to say that those who are concerned about the proximity to the schools (including the school administration & board) would be pleased. A larger consensus would be happy. At least one would think? I know if a company wanted to be welcome to a town and provide benefit; this could be a great public relations move that might lead to a long term relationship. And city officials could show that they hear and respect the voice of public opinion of minimizing health risks to children AND finding good business relationships for the city! Erica :)

-- Posted by EricaV on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 1:05 PM

Thats outstanding lhshtoney, we will just have this new company rezoned for your front yard since there is no danger....

-- Posted by clgruener on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 3:19 PM

SR 340 is arguably the most desireable rural / residential road in Clay County. With few exceptions, homes are well maintained and neat.

I would imagine the reality in regards to the plant itself is it would go unnoticed, hidden about a half mile off the road. The real change would come from the truck traffic in and out. A steady stream of 80,000 pound tri-axles cannot be hidden. They are loud, usually in a hurry, and will quickly wear out what is one of the best road surfaces in the county, certainly where they would decelerate and then cross traffic to turn south on Kennedy's crossing road to get to US 40 just east of Northview.

Mix walkers, runners, cyclists, young drivers and everthing else that comes with the presence of the school and you've got a bad situation. This industrial zoning simply isn't compatible with the area and would have a negative impact on the local quality of life.

-- Posted by Brad Hayes on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 AM

This all sounds familiar to me, we live just east of the paint plant that located in the old MI building. There were meetings and promises of " no chemical odors " in the air, and also was to be adding employment for local people. I can't speak to whether or not the company has kept their word regarding adding employees or not, because I do not know this. What I do know, and what I can speak to is the smell of chemicals that are now in our air. The smell is most strong in the mornings and seems to lessen as the day progresses. When I used to work outside in the yard, all that was in the air was the cooking smells from The Double N, now I don't enjoy being out as much, because of the chemical smell in the air,and I'm concerned about my Daughter and the other children outside breathing this and what it may do to their health. It appears if they allow the asphalt plant near the schools, the air there will be affected. Honestly the question for the people responsible for zoning, etc. should be, is this good for our city and its residents, the paint plant has certainly not saved Brazil from deplorable roads and rundown properties, the traffic on 340 is already a nightmare going and returning from school, tell me what good is this going to bring, Brazil has less to offer taxpayers by the day, someone step up for the citizens for a change, please !

-- Posted by Soni on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 1:38 PM

"Brazil has less to offer taxpayers by the day, someone step up for the citizens for a change, please !" AMEN Soni!!!! AMEN

-- Posted by Paige12 on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM

oh come on, that school is surrounded by fields that have been sprayed for 10-15 years. I see the tanks with the skull and crossbones on them spraying the fields, that means poison in case you don't know, it's the same stuff used to make Meth, you know that stuff that people are making in abandoned houses and then those houses blow up and all that poison is released into the air. Indiana Oxide is full of LEAD, read the EPA reports for this area. Great Dane and other companies are emitting toxins daily for decades. Where is the outcry for all of this. Go ahead run them out of town too while you're at it.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 7:10 PM

You can have the extra poison in your "ownlittleworld" and the rest of us will fight to keep it out. It's folks like you that think having farm land that gets sprayed and companies already here means it's alright to have additional toxins in the air and water! Good reasoning...makes sense. I mean, what the heck - let's just have a trash dump and toxic waste facility added to other industrial sites!!! You know, 'cause we already have farm land. Jeez. Wonderful use of common sense there. . .

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 12:55 PM

...Hey everybody listen up. I'm going to request we have all the toxins possible emitted in Clay County. I think the rest of the free world that doesn't want additional toxins in there life are wrong. We have FARM LAND that gets sprayed. I wasn't thinking correctly. Silly me! We have FARM LAND so we should just add copious amounts of toxi wasted to our county!!! I mean, isn't our state primarily farm land? Heck - we should ask our Governor to bring in the most pollution we can find and make all kinds of money! Because we have FARM LAND chemicals here!!!!! We're gonna be rich!!

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 1:00 PM

Better yet...I'm gonna look up some cancer rate data for Clay County compared to other areas. If it's not 100% then we should all protest and demand more toxins into our air. It's not good enough to just have fields sprayed, companies already here and the numerous meth homes that must be blowing-up dialy according to some people. I say we campaign to get as many toxins in the air and water and shoot for a perfect cancer rate of 100% for the good folks of Clay County.....

Gosh I'm sick of having hill-jacks making noise. I'm so sick of hearing the stupidity come of hillbilly's mouths. What a bunch of idiots out there that make arguments based on the most ridiculous things that could come out of human, err, redneck mouths. Those folks must be the same ones smoking 3 packs-a-day, using food stamps on twinkies and going through enough meth to look like a corpse. Keep talking idiots...you're the ones making the rest of us with more than one burned out brain cell look pretty smart. Of course, you're also the ones that make the rest of us want the hell out of this nightmare town being rundown by trash.

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 1:18 PM

Ha that's what people do when they can't win an argument...call people names..your level of intelligence has been shown"concerned". You had no interest in Clay County and the pollution until now. You are a self serving bully at best. A family was bullied, who had nothing to do with this property, school email was improperly used to create mass hysteria and bully a man of the same name as the property owners. yes, my world is much nicer than yours.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 2:43 PM

I'd rather be a bully than a 2-bit hilljack. Plus word has spread that the very woman upset at the meeting that her daddy was harassed was the first to buddy-up to the very a-holes that wrongly gave his address out to the public!!! The very a-holes that aren't even smart enough to get a permit address right, but claim to be a safe, trusted company. Yeah, the woman in that meeting who should be livid at a company for getting what amounts to fifth-grade level task wrong...is the first to thank the very ones that made her daddy look like an idiot. That mentality is scary! Plus, rumors are swirling that the man behind the original wrong address is behind this somehow considering he got a permit with his very own address on it and did nothing. Plus rumor has it he was spotted working on the gate to the property of the plant after it was discovered his address was given out. I think the woman and the folks so upset by the wrong address should watch what what they say because this is a small town and we are looking very hard at all the angles. We will find out if those with the "wrong address" had anything to do with this process.

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 7:12 PM

Concernedresident12- The man who was working on the gate rents some of the land where the asphalt company is going. Maybe that is why he was working on the gate??? Also, the paperwork with his address on it was at the post office because when it was delivered to his home he was gone. He didn't find out about the incorrect address until AFTER it was posted on facebook. But good luck chasing your leads....they are dead ends!!!

-- Posted by clala on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 9:11 PM

To CONCERNED RESIDENT 12. Are you threatening the Ruhe family for a typo? Almost sounds like tough talk. Not a good idea. Time to calm down. Take a deep breath. If your a Christian then I am ashamed of your behavior. Bully's will also be looked at closely. At anything on the internet can be tracked. After reading the above it is no wonder our children want very little to do with this county. IGNORANCE is abundant.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 9:14 PM

Regarding the School Corp. They are very remiss regarding the traffic and have been for years. Apparently getting a traffic light would be such a hassle so they hire a cop to control the traffic. Sorry that is a bad on the school corp not on anyone wanting to do business in this god forsaken community. Sounds like many prefer the meth labs and illegal drug trade for your families. That is where we are.

Why are you not up in arms for the synthetic Mary Jane and Bathsalts that kids and adults are putting in their lungs and up their noses. No instead there are those who prefer to beat up an old man, his wife and family due to where they live and land owners and a great family oriented business who said yes to coming to Clay County. Shame on you all. When you bought your properties you where well aware of the brick plant and what type of property it was. GET REAL!!

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 9:28 PM

To the School Corp. If you are really so concerned about your students. Put in that stop light and put your money where your mouth is. I found it humorous that Kim Tucker was at this meeting. Same old BS.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 10:23 PM

Regarding Wabash Vally Asphalt....they where NEVER at the Brick plant site. They own a site behind Brazil Trucking that used to be owned by Hargus.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 10:33 PM

If someone finds it threatening to want to know the truth...then yes - I'm threatening to find the truth. As in - who's involved? How did this start? Why did the city zone this Industrial on 12/21/11 as was announced at the public hearing. People that live around the brick plant had NO IDEA they rezoned it to industrial on 12/21/11. Why was there bids place on asphalt roads in Clay County for 12/27/11 by O'Mara? A mere six days after the land was rezoned. I may be passionate and get angry and it's because when I see my city go through this it upsets me! We have been through hard times. We have seen shady politicians come and go. It seems we get a new Mayor every election or so. It feels like nobody wants to step-up and be accountable in our City Hall. Nobody wants to take a prideful stance against anything. People keep forgetting that the stance of most is this - let O'mara come, just not next to the schools!! I will not accept arguments from people saying we have farm land sprayed, meth, drug deals, poor roads, no tax money put back into the city, a non-responsive school corp, polluting plants already here, etc., etc., etc.!!! You all want to base your points off of those things and say why are people yelling to stop O'Mara??? The reason we are yelling to stop O'Mara is because this town has gone through this time and time again. The very reason we have meth, poor roads, polluting companies and things people are not happy with is because of folks like you all that get mad when people stand up. When people like me say NO. I don't want a facility next to my schools. I don't want the extra traffic and health hazards on 340. Absolutely NOTHING will ever get done if we all just say "oh well, we have a crap city so let's just allow whatever to happen!" "Oh well, It's just another polluting company - people should just accept it because we are all already exposed to this stuff!" It's the old contingent of people out there that have been walked over in some fashion with all these things and they should all be ashamed to have these jaded views on people that are done with this stuff. They should be ashamed at bashing those that want to stop the running of this city into the ground. Change doesn't happen over night. It happens one thing at a time. If you see your city respond and act to help make both sides of the debate more happy...then that should make us all more confident we can start working on all those other things making this city a much more difficult place to live.

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 8:18 AM

I hope everyone is getting the fact that concernedresident12 is a nut job! I drove out to the old brick factory yesterday. I have not heard anyone mention the trash piled up in the yard of the little brown house just to the west of the entrance, what an eyesore. Also I was wondering if Mr. Layne lives in that area.

-- Posted by lhshtoney on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 9:20 AM

Yeah I figured that one out ihsh, lol.

So wait, Wabash Valley Asphalt has property behind Brazil Trucking in a residential area? Where was "concerned" when that went in? Truth is, he just wants to tell someone what they can do with their property because it is close to his.

We can not continue to graduate hundreds of kids each year and not have this town grow for them. If they do get an education they move away from here. I gather concerned's children are young because he has no idea what is going on in this town, just what is happening in his own little world.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 10:22 AM

And it is almost funny what people will admit to on a public forum when the believe they are under the anonymity of a screen name. Threatening and stalking, there are laws against that.. Who is the hilljack now? Keep talking.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 12:06 PM

I want to let concerned citizen know that I and many others support O'mera Contractors. They are a good company and good people. You were crazy and showed you immaturity at the meeting. You need to watch the movie Erin Brokovich a few more times. I would be glad to meet you in person and discuss the facts. You have turned this into your own little fight and gotten away from the facts of what this whole thing is supposed to be about.

-- Posted by lhshtoney on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 12:28 PM

You guys are funny! Trying to figure out who I am? I'll tell ya one thing...I don't even live close to this plant site! I didn't have any direct contact with anyone on 340 until this mess started. I'm a concerned resident of Brazil. Not just of the area surrounding the plant. My children are much older and long gone from this area. Keep talking yourselves into whatever you want and keep reading what I wrote...which isn't a damn thing close to "threatening" or "stalking." But, entertaining none-the-less. Oh and I wasn't at the meeting!! I'm not in good health and couldn't make it. I have what my friends told me and what was in the article and youtube vids.

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 3:43 PM

Honest questions here; of those of you that support the plant - how many live in the area directly affected? As close as Mr. Stearley or the gal who started crying (which is on youtube video if you wonder how I know). Or have kids going to North Clay or Northview?

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 3:55 PM

Well thats even better, your children left this area..hmmm So you are just a gossip monger fueling the hysteria without firsthand facts. You are dismissed!

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 4:31 PM

My question is how can a company that uses dump trucks use that lane going back to the old brick plant? Has anyone driven back there anytime lately? The lane is not wide enough for 2 way traffic let alone 2 way dump trucks. The site is a mess back there, almost every building has been torn down and there is nothing but debris scared everywhere. The old employee parking lot is full of piles of dirt and concrete. The old office building has been partially torn down and is a danger in the shape it is in. It would probably take thousands of dollars to clean the place up and have it ready for anyone to use ever again. I am shocked that none of the kids in Clay County have not been back there and gotten hurt.

-- Posted by MS440 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 6:54 PM

And for anyone who read my previous comment toward the first part of this. I was thinking of someone else when I asked if Mr. Stearley lived there when it was a brick factory So I am sorry. I insert my own foot in my mouth on that. I had not been back there and seen what it looked like and now feel that I should have kept my comments to myself before, but will take everything other threw at me on that. The lane going back is in bad shape and it is the only way in and out of that place. I think that could be a bad thing too being so far back off the road. Maybe this Company should use the old site on Hendrix behind Brazil Trucking where Underwood Trucking use to be or the Brazil Arketex plant #3 was at.

-- Posted by MS440 on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 7:04 PM

Frankly this is private property and none of your business what goes in back there. And if any of you dim bulbs have been back there YOU ARE TRESPASSING. A few of the neighbors have even stolen scrap iron. And hunted illegally. Good thing the owners did not prosecute huh?

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 8:06 PM

I bet you moorons profess to be faith based people. I don't think so. Many of you have taken advantage of the property owners. Shame on you all! I hate liars and thieves and that is what many of you are with a few exceptions.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 8:20 PM

Concerned citizen is an idot, who has no credibility to speak on anything.

-- Posted by lhshtoney on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 8:25 PM

So angelinbluejeans since you know so much... You are saying that everyone who has been back there is Trespassing right? Then I am guilty and should be arrested right now. Oh but wait I guess you can't arrest me. See you got your facts wrong. Last time I checked there is a utility right of way back there and some people are allowed to be there no matter what you say, and I can also fly over just about anything I want and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. I was just out there yesterday did you see me "angelinbluejeans" or were you only looking on the ground? LOL

-- Posted by MS440 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 8:19 AM

Well that's just great soccerdad. Way to be respectful of someone else's property, thumbing your nose saying haha I can go on your property if I want, wow. That is what is wrong today, no one is teaching or practicing respect for others property.

Well it has been established by admission that concerned's children and possibly grandchildren do not live in this area, and have no interest in the prosperity of this town. But I wonder why Mr. Layne has moved from this area as well? Did he find prosperity elsewhere and therefore has no interest in growing this town?

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 10:52 AM

Wow....and some of you actually made it to "adulthood"? Interesting.......

There have been some valid points raised here and the obvious childish retorts and name calling but the bottom line here is industry. As somebody pointed out...not sure who after reading some of these wonderfully thought out posts...there are at least 3 other locations that would be worthy of O'Mara's attention should this one fail to meet "standards". So instead of some of us acting like we are fighting over a ball in nursery school, let's channel this energy into trying to provide something positive in the way of maybe not making Clay Countians look like vigilantie lynch mobsters! Really!!!!

It's a given that you can't please ALL the people ALL the time but geez folks give these O'Mara people a chance to do something worthwhile in our county instead of making them feel like a malignant growth on the scrotum of a donkey!! I for one, wouldn't blame them if they said screw Clay County and ran as fast as they possible could to another location FAR from us.

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM

Poor Soccer Dad, no wonder you wife was crying LOL!!

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM

So true Proud.. Business people associate with business people. We will be lucky if ANY business EVER looks at clay county again after the behavior of some of these people.

Concerned wanted the truth... The truth is that his children and Mr. Layne or his children don't have to worry if they or their children will be able to find work here because they don't live here! They are not contributing to our tax base or our local economy. While concerned is amassing his data, a simple google search could have told him that Mr Layne doesn't live here an that he is Mr. Stearley's sil. They introduced him as an assoc. why? The problem for them as well as the walking track is that it is private property not everyone's personal playground. The truth is they improperly used school email to create mass hysteria and some people fell for it. Yes these are the people teaching our children..no wonder kids don't follow the rules when the teachers can't even follow the rules.

And finally Proud is right..why didn't these people channel this hysteria into finding ways to bring this industry and more into this town instead of putting these people on trial. You will come to find out that all of this was purely self-serving.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 2:21 PM

Industry does not take this foolishness to heart. The location is a clean one. It is an honor when any industry looks at a county. This thread will not discourage industry. They are accustomed to those who are miss informed and the nut cases who are bored and hide behind there computers to cause a stir. That is all those types have in their lives. Anyhow, aside from all that O'Mara's will be a great fit for the community. I am only sharing accurate info. Not hype.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 2:31 PM

Next time anyone goes up town, or around the community. Look closely at our local business men and women. They are the first ones who are hit up by the school for donations to fund events, adds,etc. Support your local businesses first if it is possible. They need YOU! As much as the community needs them!

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 2:34 PM

Okay...I've opened myself up to getting angry and writing things I shouldn't have and I deserve all the negative comments you all can give. I have personal experience working in harsh conditions - I did it my entire life. My health problems are a result of that. Never a smoker, drinker of drug user. My anger is born of feeling like all the times I was told "it's fine" or "that won't hurt ya" or "don't worry about that." All the times I did it because it was easier to cut corners. It was easier to not wear a mask or protection. It's my responsibility - sure, but look at any construction site and you will likely find safety violations all over the place. It's just how humans are. I was paid to work and work hard. Safey was talked about in meetings or training, but rarely enforced "on the job." It's the very fear I have for those surrounding this plant and the school. As for my children...I insisted they get degrees so they don't have to work in conditions that I did. I worked hard to help provide college money so they could have white-collar jobs and use their brains. They left to follow the work. I know there are some proud residents here in Clay County, but even the most proud should be smart enough to understand that the opportunities are limited. Please don't fault someone for leaving our town and finding opportunity elsewhere. It's a big world out there beyond this farm community and sometimes people need to go out there to make a "safe" living and provide for their families. And to hopefully have a strong, secure future.

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 4:57 PM

I also think it's anyone's right to argue against having an industrial zone behind their house. Everyone forgets that this site was rezoned to industrial on 12/21/11 - not very long ago. If you call it self-serving because a resident doesn't feel it's in his/her best health or in the best interest of their property to value to have that plant there...well it's absolutely self-serving. It's easy to call out those who are proud and loud to stand up for what they believe in. So how about those that are afraid? How about the young gal that's visibly pregnant with two young children who comes to tears while asking the company to simply not go in behind her house? Do any of you want to call her out for being "self-serving" or "selfish" or only about her family? What else is she supposed to do? It's easy for all of you to call out Mr. Stearly and Mr. Lane and shoot holes in their arguments for whatever reasons. Why don't you shoot holes in her? She's a young mother who is afraid for the health of her children and the value of her home..which has been in her family for several decades. Is she wrong for having her opinions? Are the other residents who do not want the increased traffic problems on 340 "sef-serving?" I think we have all become passionate about our feelings and I truly wish Dave O'Mara would just pick another site that wasn't so close to the schools and righ in the middle of a potential traffic nightmare. If the city and Dave O'Mara could work that out..wouldn't that be the best option? And please don't argue that other people would be affected if they go elsewhere because those of you supporting O'Mara have not given one ounce of care for those affected by the current location!

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 5:09 PM

...and if I may apologize for getting angry and writing stupid things. My anger is about things that have little to do with this situation. I just started getting bad feelings from things that have affected me in the past and things I wish I could have changed in the past. I started writing without thinking and getting angry and calling names and being stupid is no way to get a point across. Plus...I'd be the first to call myself a hilljack and those who know me would not argue!

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 5:12 PM

Wow! Looks like a little online therapy session going on here!? lol Oh well...at least hopefully people are realizing there might be room for compromise for this situation?? HOPEFULLY :-)

-- Posted by EricaV on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 5:58 PM

Yeah Erica V. we have a few angry misinformed types that aren't all there. They are to be ignored. O'Mara's are good people. And they will use professional drivers from our community who do not want an accident anymore than anyone else. It will all work out. And if not....perhaps a huge factory moving in will be better. Think of all that traffic.I think some should be quiet and opt for a smaller company coming in.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 7:30 PM

Well I know I'm not angry...although a little disappointed that the land was ever zoned open-industrial after the brick plant closed. Whatever structures left there are old and dilapidated and the road going in/out is well used and narrow. The entire problem stems from the fact that the site is not suitable based on the homes and schools in that area. It's one thing if a town is lacking industrial sites, but that is clearly not the case in Brazil. There should not be any sort of "plant" at that site beyond a quiet, closed, clean facility. There is no way traffic will be better than any other option when an estimated 20 heavy-duty trucks will be going to and from during asphalt production. Ultimately, I think it's a classic case of a private land owner wanting to make a buck on a property investment which I don't blame. The problem is that there is not many, if any, other option to do so outside of the operation described in the proposal causing this heated debate. It's too bad that land couldn't be used for something less controversial and more permanent if the owner wanted to make some money.

-- Posted by Jlando on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 8:01 PM

O'Mara's have a great reputation and will be good for the community and will be better neighbors than what is expected by the fear mongers. They will clean the area up and make the road suitable to their needs. The time to jumping to negative conclusions needs to end. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised and they are really looking forward to being here. Isn't that a nice thing to know? I think so. We have got to build up Clay Counties reputation for more and more companies to want to come here. It will be a win win all around. God knows we need the jobs. We also need the tax revenue.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 8:20 PM

Omgosh people think..why are you complaining about the road being narrow HELLO its an asphalt company.

As far as traffic, I grew up on 340 when the brick plant was operational and barely knew it was there except I had a friend who worked there. Now let's talk about the traffic the school brought, not everyone wanted the school and the traffic there. I was never for it but dealt with. And somebody made a buck off that. Your arguments hold no water. Please think of the children who have died already going to and from the school and what has the school corporation done about it. Nothing. Maybe the company will be smart enough to avoid pulling out while school traffic is passing. Some people do have common sense you know lol

I appreciate the apology concerned.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 11:06 PM

Myownlittleworld. Your wisdom and respectful commentary have been greatly appreciated. Let's lay this to rest. Welcome these people and move on. I really hope other property owners will be encouraged to clean up their sites to entice others to come here. With patience,respectful speech, Clay county can become a great place to live and earn a wage again. Perhaps get more people off meth and get their pride back. Let us hope. And with better jobs property values will come back up with higher wage earners coming into our community. Think on that long and hard.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 12:09 AM

Okay - I'm going to be respectful, but blunt. There is no way someone supporting this plant should compare not wanting schools to not wanting an asphalt plant. Myownlittleworld - you said "not everyone wanted the schools and the traffic there." "I was never for it, but dealt with it." Earlier in this thread you have written this; "Go ahead run them out of town too while you're at it." Nobody is trying to run them out of town if you read the comments. They don't want them in that location. An identical opinion that you had for the schools. It's ironic because those making arguments that want this company here have called people fear mongers and accused folks of trying to chase off a good business. So please clear up your comment; if it's okay for you to not have wanted schools to be built in a specific location for traffic, etc. - why is it NOT okay for people to not want an asphalt plant in a specific location for health or traffic or property values? I don't mean to single you out, but I have to call out someone who is not making sense. You cannot play both sides of card here. You either support people having their opinions and not wanting certain proposals to go through (as you did not with the schools) or you are closed-minded and think people should just accept proposals for reasons that work for you.

Oh and this is directly from the Indiana government website; "The 16 to 17 year old age group had the highest rate of drivers involved in collisions in 2010 (982 per 10,000 licensed drivers)." I'm certain that trend is reflected naionwide. It's quite the unrealistic stretch to say that the school should do something about kids dying in car accidents. Kids die in cars 'cause they don't know how to drive. They die going to and from all kinds of places. If a light should be put in somewhere...go after that with the same kind of passion you all are going after folks who don't want this asphalt plant here.

And if..a big IF the company is "smart" enough to not pull out twice-a-day for a combination of an hour to two hours...well that just isn't very smart business to move to a place like that! What business man would consider that productive?

I agree that this should be put to rest and the process should work itself out however it does. But, I'm sorry because I cannot let those agruments hold water. People do not want this site at that location...I'm seeing overwhelming comments that people simply want Dave O'Mara to move to another location in Brazil. There's a wonderful "letter to the editor" discussing compromise and how could this work for more people.

Clearly, folks have been upset from day one how this has been handled. Fair enough. People freaked out and didn't handle this properly, but that's done and this process must work out best for the majority of people. This will be put to rest the easiest when a MAJORITY of folks get what they want; a plant in Brazil that is NOT so close to schools and school traffic.

-- Posted by Paige12 on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 7:36 AM

well that just goes to show you Paige, you can't always get what you want.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 9:49 AM

And I will address one more thing that I didn't, then I shall lay it to rest. Crying Pregnant girl on youtube, who's house has been in the family for 80 years..that means they were there when the Brick Plant was operational and regulations weren't as they are today..that means they were there when the school went in and its 20+ bus' going to and from everyday for 180 days a year for 15 years, backed up car and diesel trucks that the kids drive spewing exhaust in front of their home, and no one cried foul then. Over and out :)

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 11:57 AM

You still haven't addressed the issue - you were allowed to have the opinion that you didn't want the schools there. What's the difference with people not wanting an asphalt plant backed-up to their land or near the schools or for whatever reason?

You didn't get what you want...schools built elsewhere. So other folks can't fight for what they want? None of what you are saying makes sense.

Noone is saying your are wrong or right. All I'm saying is the folks that don't want the plant there are just like you were about the schools, yet, it seems you are debating loudly with people that do not want the plant there!!

I don't know why your throwing the Crying pregnant girl in the mix unless it's in a response to another comment, but I do know they - her and her husband have only there a few years. What the heck does that have to do with who decided to live there the previous 75 years or so? They can't have an opinion like you did about schools? They aren't allowed a voice because their grandmother didn't mind living next to the brick plant or new school construction? They shouldn't be allowed to live in a family-owned home because they weren't alive when the brick plant operated??

People have stated loudly they want folks to embrace Brazil and the county. Well, to do that they have to build on new land or buy established homes/lots. I think it's okay for them to accept what is while having opinions about what might be.

And this entire argument about thid damned asphalt is a perfect reason whey we live in a society with voting!! Just take your vote to the box and make something happen! At least - that's what they say ;)

-- Posted by Paige12 on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 3:04 PM

The letter to the editor was from a person who lived in Riley. So it does not really count. There are more business people for it and only a few private citizens against it. Many wanting more info and others wanting the jobs. The comments here are only a few. And two posters are unrealiable trouble makers who don't live in our community. That is the unfortunate part of these types of forums. The biggest up roar was how the man was treated who is currently leasing part of the property.He is sick with cancer. Folks assumed he owned the property in question. There was an error in some paperwork. Then another poster who does not live in this community starting writing drivel.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 5:21 PM

I'm sorry, but I live in Clay County. I am a part of this community. You are saying folks that are posting are not part of this community? That's quite the assumption...who are they?

And it's ironic..once again - that you say the writer of the letter to the editor does not really count. Wow..what an attitude to have. This coming from the one writing that Clay County can be a a great place to live. And to be patient and have good businesses and people come here. With an attitude like that - why would anyone come to this place? I think it's great that someone was interested enough give a darn regardless of whether you agree with it or not. I think it shows that people are well aware of this area and certainly of the community. Above all else it shows that some people are interested in things beyond their communities. Not to mention that Dave O'Mara is not from here...so their opinions should not count either? They should not have a say where they go if you want to have that attitude.

Look - I've been a great offender of being immature about writing comments and I apologized. The more I thought about it...the more I started realizing that maybe the best would be for the company to come to Brazil...in a different location. I have not heard one person supporting the plant at that site agree that they should go to a different location. If you want Dave O'Mara in Brazil..why does it matter where they go? Unless someone posting on here has personal motivations to have them at that site...why does it matter where they are located?

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 8:47 AM

"The letter to the editor was from a person who lived in Riley. So it does not really count."

angelinbluejeans...really? IMO Erica had a lot more to say in her letter to the editor than you have had to say. At least she looks at it, as do several of us, from both sides and is quite able to see that good things can still come from this. Shut your pie hole and take the time to absorb some of the comments made and realize that people are not against this plant, just the location. I don't have a stake in anything here, I live far to the south of these shenanigans! O'Mara can come down here if they want too!

Oh....there is an old factory that is south on Murphy Ave too. I do believe it's a great location. It's just south of the stop sign at Murphy and the Billville Rd on the east side of the road. East access to 59 and out in the country. That pool place and those horses might object to the odor but then that would be if the wind was coming from the north while the plant was operating! LOL Sorry, twisted humor there.....

Just to throw another 2 cents worth in, with ALL the EPA standards that are in place now the possibility of the plant emmiting "toxic" pollutants, provided they remain compliant and I'm sure they will, is very very very slim. It might smell funny but environmental issues are headliners in this day and age. (Sorry about your illness "concerned"....that really sucks!)

Your above comment was well said "concerned" and my comments probably don't rate much either since I don't live in Brazil either.

Have a great day ya'll! Take time to stop and smell the flowers.....provided you're not allergic....in which case you should probably move to the inner city somewhere that doesn't have the stench of flowers or anythig else like fresh cut grass, pools....oh wait....all that contains chemicals of some sort.......EGADS WHAT WAS I THINKING!!!!!!! Caution: HIGHLY EDUCATED DONKEY in area.

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 11:51 AM

If ignorance is bliss then you are a very wealthy man!

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 5:16 PM

My interest in this topic, is tax revenue and JOBS! If you bothered to read the whole thread.

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 6:12 PM

Well said Proud Of My Country... I wonder if anyone has tested the site back there now for Contamination? I am sure with those huge tanks just behind the trees that there has got to be some kind of environmental issues with the ground around them. They are very old and were used to store fuel in for the brick factory. So I wonder if it will have to be cleaned up or just buried and forgot about. Guess I live far enough out of the way not to have to worry bout it. But since they are right behind Mr Stearley's back yard he should have been the one concerned a long time ago about them. Like 20yrs ago... Maybe they could start a Dairy Farm back there, I mean Butt's Farm already rents one of the buildings for hay storage so why not bring in the cows and start milking. Maybe then we will have a true RODEO going on with the neighbors and community with the smell of fresh dairy daily!!! More twisted humor just like proud of my country said!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by MS440 on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 10:52 PM

Proud - You are a breath of fresh air on this thread!! Thank you!

Soccerdad - you make a great point about what is possible already back on that site. I wonder too. I will say for Mr. Stearley or anyone in that area, I think it probably would have pissed off as many or more people off if he was poking around on someone else's property before this mess. Look at some of the grief he's received for stepping in about this plant!! The dairy farm idea and further additions of twisted humor much appreciated!!!

angelin - I can finally agree with you on something! I respect if you want jobs and tax revenue benefits for this city or county. That's when I started realizing maybe another location would be the best for both sides of this argument.

I, personally, would still question what jobs and how much tax revenue. I think what bothers me is that they only operate that plant based on road work/bids they get. But, if that's important to folks...then the idea of location is a non-issue.

I think clearly folks were upset by how the public awareness was handled, etc. Then folks like me went on the offensive. I, among others, pissed off folks who went on the defensive. What does that mean...an ol' fashioned verbal battle! A classic case of "oh yea, well I'll give it right back!"

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 8:50 AM

I may not feel well, but I can still put down a beer (although not recommended)....maybe we need to all go to Hunter's Lounge to drink a beer and sing kumbayah??!! ;) Holding hands optional...

-- Posted by concernedresident12 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 8:52 AM

Maybe my idea of a Dairy farm back there would make a great plan. Then you could have big trucks, farm equipment and can't forget school bus coming and going from the site. All children love to go see a dairy farm in action. there is already heavy truck traffic going in and out when they bring in the giant bales of hay to store then come get it and take it to the farm as needed. Havn't heard any complaints about the semi's going in and out of the there to this point. As angelinbluejeans said it is a clean site and should draw great people!!!!!!!

-- Posted by MS440 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 9:27 AM

Just popping in for a moment.. The company said they already looked at other sites in the county and they were too contaminated to use. The cleanup of the contaminated sites would be to costly for them. What I understood was their operation was portable and contained and when they leave they would take their equipment and their containers, so no contamination to this site.

What is alarming is the fact that the other sites were too contaminated.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 10:10 AM

Oh dear....thanks for the update myownlittleworld1. Did they check the site on Murphy south of Billville yet? Oh, here's another....Sutherland's old place down on 42 about a mile east of 59. Now we're getting into my neighborhood.......and welcome! What an ideal location!!!!!

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 11:36 AM

And Paige please, no one is saying you are not entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. As far as not wanting the school there, I was never for consolidation period. It was merely a means to up the class in which sports and band compete. There are studies that show the superschools are not helping educationally as America continues to fall behind other countries. The traffic that it brought is the school corporation's responsibility as is the traffic that comes in and out of driveways of anyone living on 340. I'm not sure the residents of 340 want to be told how much traffic can come in and out of their driveways because of the school. The property that the company will be using is private property, just as the residents of 340. Do some research..look at the traffic reports for the past 15 years on 340 in regards to the school. The accidents are mostly not caused by the residents pulling out of their driveways, but the kids driving to and from school. And finally look to thine own self regarding toxins..are you recycling EVERYTHING you can, disposing of paint, oil, electronics, batteries in the proper way. No trash burning, no unnecessary vehicle usage, using natural hygiene products and dish and laundry products. Companies are regulated, individuals are not.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 11:44 AM

Proud, I think in the video or the article it said that they looked at the sites out by I70, I don't know if it included that site, but maybe you can contact them online and let them know in case they overlooked it.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 11:49 AM

"What is alarming is the fact that the other sites were too contaminated" Well lets see who can provide documents as to how much was checked back there by the EPA. All I heard was talk about some roofing material that had to be cleaned up that contained Asbestos material... So only clean up what is visible with the naked eye??? I am sure there is plenty more problems back there. It is just a oversite in myownlittleworld1, just look past it and it will be swept under the rug right? Did the do any drilling ground water samples or is that not needed before you start moving dirt or anything else. I also wonder what is in some of the blocks that were used in the kilns that were there at one time that are now scatered all over the place. If asbestos was used as a insulation back in the day then wouldn't it be a great item to add to kiln brick for the same use? Just a thought that may be brushed under the carpet by others.

-- Posted by MS440 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 5:23 PM

Oh sorry, I meant the other sites out by I70 that were too contaminated for the asphalt company to use. In the meeting they said it wasn't feasible for them to clean them up then use them.

The 340 site, they said had already been tested and cleared except for the asbestos that the company was going to remove. I think all this was on the YouTube meeting.

-- Posted by myownlittleworld1 on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 7:40 PM

how about this myownlittleworld1; let's agree to disagree on our opinions on the asphalt plant. I don't think it should go on that site - you think it should. The reasons do not matter because they are personal opinions we have.

As for traffic - I can't argue that more accidents are caused on 340 because of more kids driving to school. Your point is fair. It's the one place in Clay County that draws the most teenage traffic in one place, 340 being heavily used, and teenagers have lots of accidents. So, now add heavy trucks that must use 340 to get to and from the brick plant. It will be a place in Clay County, on 340, that draws several trucks (20 a day according ot O'Mara) to one place. Just sounds too much like of a bad mix. Nobody would ever say; "hey...our teenagers cause accidents, so let's add some heavy duty trucks on the road to make them more safe!" I don't think anyone should argue that Dave O'Mara will just not use the road in the mornings or afternoon...that's just flat out dumb business sense. When roads/projects need asphalt - there's no waiting to move asphalt!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 5:17 PM

Lastly, I am very responsible about things I do as an individual to help the environment. It's silly to compare what people do day-to-day to an asphalt company, but does has some merit in this debate. Because, individuals are highly regulated by laws, ordinaces, company rules, etc. However, people kill, hurt others, drink & drive, take drugs, cheat on loved ones, etc., etc., etc. Yes - those are extreme examples, but a large part of our society. Lighter expamples; anyone ever drive over the speed limit? Cheat on a diet? Not work 100% for 8 hours/day - 5 days/week? Yell too loud at your child? Ever hear of multi-million dollar athletes taking steroids to get an edge? Ever hear of kids cheating in school? I know there's one or two of ya out there that have had just one beer too many before driving home! I could go on and on, but you said it best myownlittleworld - people do not take full responsibility on a daily basis to do what's right for the environment, let alone their bodies or other people.

We are flawed..all of us. And we are the ones that work at "regulated companies!" We run daily operations and either take orders or give them out. Flawed people run asphalt plants. Regulations mean nothing on a day-by-day basis. Cheating is only recognized when someone is caught. Don't think for one minute that because a company is "regulated" that means they are always, 100% of the time, operating in the best interest of regulations. Ever hear of Enron? How about political scandal in the biggest company of them all...our national government? Just search for companies that have violated pollution standards. Type in white collar crime in Google to get a nice prospective of what's happened for decades! POEPLE run companies and companies are regulated because of PEOPLE!!!

If regulations are the answer...then I say why do we need hundreds or thousands of pages of laws, permits and codes to run these people in charge of companies? Why do we need air testing? It's because people mess up all the time. It's because people cut corners. People get tired. People "game the system" and take short-cuts.

Companies are made of people and when it comes to the health of my child being in the vacinity of such a potentially dangerous company...I trust no one to keep the best interest of my child at the forefront of their responsibilities!!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 5:45 PM

Bring on the asphalt company. The county could use the tax income. Who knows, the county may even get cheaper asphalt to fix the roads that everyone is always whining about.

-- Posted by MS660 on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 5:57 PM

This is no different than any other protest in the world. The minority is always the loudest and the majority just sit back and let it happen. Think of the greater good for the county not your selfish self interest Mr. Stearley.

-- Posted by Schraderfan on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 6:42 PM

Hey Schrader....go tell any other property owner in any county not to worry about their property value, the health of their family and not to care for their schools because they're being selfish and they will probably punch you. I'm so sick of hearing idiots on here tell people not to fight what they feel is unhealthy or bad for the value of their homes! I read earlier in this thread someone asked who is supporting this plant that lives bordering the property? I have not seen one answer. Where's the person who is going to have this plant practically in their back yard supporting it? Where are ya? A lot of support for a plant from folks that are not living next to it.

You all that want the plant here...so be it. But don't you dare tell a property owner he's selfish for caring about HIS health and HIS family and HIS land value!!! If that's selfish...well I'd be the most selfish person in this county if I felt just one of those things were threatened. . .

-- Posted by Paige12 on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 9:00 PM

It's funny...and who knows what kind of property some of you have out there. But, I know the Stearley property looks nice compared to the average home place here in our lovely town. Some of you have mentiond trash piling up in yards and how run-down some of the properties are around that area. And you want to yell and say "where was Mr. Stearley and others protesting those situations if they're so concerned with this plant?!" Yet, in the same breath you want to bash him for fighting for the value of his property and for keeping it clean and safe. What the hell? You "plant supporters" are so full of contradictions it's ridiculous!!! You can't have it both ways. Everytime you all write something down it contradicts exactly what you are trying to argue. If some of you are worried about the "greater good" of this county - go find more people that care about their properties. Go compaign to bring in some some residents that don't pile up trash, cook meth and park cars on blocks!!! Set-up some public hearings to have folks clean-up their land for the "greater good." I'd take that improvement 1000 times over an asphalt plant for the "greater good" of this county!!!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 9:13 PM

Who are any of you to tell anyone what to do on their own property!!!!!!!! Is it your do you pay the taxes or rent or anything to this property NOOOO!! Always have something to say about something that does not belong to you or you have nothing in.

-- Posted by oknow on Tue, Feb 28, 2012, at 1:58 AM

I just have a couple of questions. Where was all crying for the children back in the early 90s when North Clay was at Van Buren and a strip mine was blasting coal not even a thousand feet or so from the school and coal buckets ran up and down Rio Grande all the time??? That's about the time alot of the people on here complaining kids where out there I guess if you went to school then people didn't care about are safety? How many. People got Black Lung going to school there or Staunton for that matter??? Why wasn't there a outcry then Oh that's right people worked at those places and made good money. I mean if we wanna talk saftey the school was built right where the f16s flew over to land at the Air Base one of them could have crashed? Thank God none of that happened through the years but my point is alot of us went to school then and can say we don't have black lung. Let them build might make some roads smoother. You gotta about has good of chance of getting cancer from asphalt has you do talking on a Cell Phone!!!! In no way am I trying to be negative Thanks

-- Posted by bluetick on Tue, Feb 28, 2012, at 4:42 AM

bluetick, I love the way you think!

-- Posted by MS660 on Tue, Feb 28, 2012, at 10:08 PM

A couple things for ya bluetick:

I was too young to have a voice or even understand things you are talking about that happened in the past. I'm an adult now. I can only address things that happen now. I cannot base my reactions to current issues on what others did or did NOT do in the early 90's or any time for that matter.

Times have changed. We have access at our finger-tips to all kinds of information and the ability to search permits, zoning laws, risks, etc., etc.

Plus, it's getting a little old hearing about people complaining that we can't have an opinion against this plant without having had opinions against every other poor decision that this city or some company has made in the past!!! It's another contradiction you plant supporters have instilled. You see - you are clearly not happy with how certain things have happened in the past; polluting/noisy plants being built on other sites, other questionable plants being built around schools, the way schools were consolidated or where they were built, trash piles on properties, the growth of "meth homes" and other drug problems, etc. And you want to ask where we all were? I'm gonna ask you...where were you all????? You all get on this thread and remind us how these things have happened...so where were you when those things were happening? They happened - you aren't happy with them...where were you?

Also, you see how people decide to have a voice against this plant for whatever reasons are important to them and you all want to get on here and give them a hard time. In other words, make it hard to have a voice against something!!! Make us have to defend our opinions.

How about this; let's just say this plant goes in and a year from now people start to realize it doesn't smell so good. How about 340 starts getting beat-up. Traffic isn't pleasant and, god-forbid, an accident happens involving a truck. Are all of you that sit back and don't do anything gonna start asking where was the voice when this plant was going in??? Oh...wait-a-minute - WE ARE HERE saying we don't want it at that location and trying to stop something that we fear is not good. We are trying to avoid the complaints that will come and sound identical to all the ones you all have about other things that happened in this town!!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Wed, Feb 29, 2012, at 8:24 AM

I'm still waiting for one person to get on here and tell me that having this plant placed a couple hundred feet behind someone's property is good for their home value. You want to forget about the safety - fine. What about property value? What's a homeowner to do? How should he sell that when putting his home on the market or looking for equity value? What if a guy's older and concerned about dying someday and doesn't want his property to be a burden for surviving members of his family to have to deal with. Is that wrong? Does having hot mix drums and heavy duty trucks surrounding your property make it more valuable? I mean...we've seen the housing market fall over the last few years! So, maybe this is the secret? Have an asphalt plant and heavy duty trucks move-in directly behind your land and that will make it more attractive?

I can already guess that some of you will get on here and yell; "what about other properties next to other plants?" "Where were you then?" It's your go-to argument!! Like, Mr. Stearley or his neighbors are not allowed to fight for their property values because they didn't set-up a protest line while other plants were being built? I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on this plant because I didn't call a public hearing for other industrial sites that affect other properties. Where were you protesting for those other property owners? Better yet - let's move this plant behind your house and then get your opinion on the value of your land. Will you count on "other" folks to come to defend the value of your land? Are you going to hope that others feel like you? This is, of course, that you all supporting this plant actually own a lot or some land and actually care about it as a financial and personal investment!!! If that happens to you...go ask Mr. Stearley how many people are running to defend the value of his land!!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Wed, Feb 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM

Paige12, Were you there before or after the brick factory? If before did they use trucks or hourse and wagon to haul the brick out of there? lol If you moved there after did you not realize there was a old plant there and that maybe someday there might be another plant go in there? Come on with the property value line... Maybe you could have bought a house on 200W just south of the old Railroad tracks. It was farmland before and now is Wallace Brothers overfill lot for dumpsters. What about everyones property value there too? Boy if every homeowner stops every company from building cause they are worried about property value then we wouldn't have any industry in this Co and no tax revenue to worry about anything with. Move out to the country off the beaten path and I am sure there won't be any industry out there for you to worry about.

-- Posted by MS440 on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 12:53 AM

O'Mara's had this meeting as a courtesy. They are in no way obligated to the city. They are nice people who wanted to answer questions. If they don't come in, another plant of some kind will eventually. Mr. Stearly has NO power in this situation. AND his home value is not going to be affected. The economy has crashed home values. Not this old brick factory site. No one was complaining when the pallets where being made out there. Or a million tires where back there drawing bugs.(They have been removed) So I ask myself. Why now is Stearley up in arms. Sounds like a personal problem.

Trucks of some nature of another have been coming and going for years. Why complain now?

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 11:20 AM

I really do not understand those personalities who wish to create falsehoods or hysteria. Totally unnecessary. Some will do anything to feel powerful or to feel knowledgeable on issues they are NOT in the loop about. This plant will affect very little. They will conduct business, be good neighbors, pay taxes, hire local drivers, and bid on jobs in the surrounding area. Win Win!!!

-- Posted by angelinbluejeans on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 3:36 PM

Hmmm...Soccerdad I thought you were better than that! Have you not paid attention? The land was puchased by a private owner AFTER the brick plant shut down. It was NOT ZONED open-industrial after the private purchase and remained that way for several years. In fact, it has been stated on this very thread that a farmer stored items on this land. Residents did not have to be concerned about a plant going in on a piece of land NOT zoned for industrial use. It was then rezoned (rather quietly)on 12/21/11 back to open-industrial LONG AFTER two schools and other residents were developed all less than a mile from that land and conveniently 6 days before O'Mara put bids in this area. What are you missing?

Oh, and I thought we covered the "don't use other sites and other people and other examples" as arguments as to why people shouldn't stand up against this situation? Come on with that line!!!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM

I want to make an annoucement to anybody who might consider moving to Brazil; according to angelinbluejeans - you will not have any power as private land owner! You will not have a say in the safety and well being of your family! You will not have a say in the value of your land! You will not have a voice in your community! In fact, you should just not have an opinion on anything she doesn't agree with! You should go back to your democratic society because we have no place for that stuff hear in Brazil!!!!

Nice work agelin...oh and one last question;

since when is protecting your health and home value not a "personal problem?" What do you want his concerns to be??? Like he's a bad guy because he's concerned about his "personal" health and land. Is he supposed to worry about your "personal" problems? Am I to wake everyday and beyond surviving - start worrying about your health and well being so I'm not to "personal" with myself? Is that what we should all do - get up everyday and worry about not being too "personal" if we care about our health and home?? Jeez!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 8:11 PM

Tell ya what angelin and anyone else supporting this plant...you want to say that people are making false claims and raising hysteria about the potential effects of this plant on that area. You want to say we don't have real facts about health hazards and company performance. That's your opinions and I'll respect that. How about this - since you're in the "loop" - why don't you share some actual details on the taxes that will be paid? How about the number of jobs created or truck drivers that will get hired? Heck - I'd like to see what roads they will improve that are in the very city limits they are proposing to set-up shop in.

I have not heard one concrete number about any economic benefits from this plant. In fact, the only numbers I've heard have been from the O'Mara people themselves saying they bring their own TWO employees to work the plant. TWO! OF THEIR OWN! No jobs at the site! Oh and they did say they could fire up for 6 months and be shut down for six months. Now that's some stability for the local economy!!!

You all want to say those of us against this plant don't have a "clue" or are not in the "loop" on this company! So - give us some real facts to clear up how beneficial this company will be to our town!!

-- Posted by Paige12 on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 8:28 PM

Jobs jobs jobs to build roads roads roads!A win win win for our county.

-- Posted by Combat VET on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 10:06 PM

Hey Paige12, here is a thought for you concerning lowering property values. My old neighbor moved out of Clay County becuase the county road we live on has been neglected to the point where it is now gravel. My home is for sale aswell and I plan to buy acreage in Putnam County. Our own elected County Commissioners are lowering the property our property values. Everyone who lives on a county road shoudl be out raged as to what has happened. It is backward thinking fools such as your self whom will continue to keep this county on the downward slide. Over 50% of the students in the school corp. are on free luch so by all means keep fighting companies who want to bring jobs. If this plant brings one person off state assistance its a winner in my book.

-- Posted by Schraderfan on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 10:02 PM

Hey Schraderfan...I'm exhausted over this argument. Mostly because of idiots like you. Read my posts - I don't care if Dave O'Mara wants to come to Brazil. I care that they set-up shop at that proposed location. And I say those who argue about their health and property values have just as much of a voice as you do about your concerns with bad roads and poor government. Your voice is no more imporant than anyone elses. I made it very clear that another location would probably be best for EVERYONE. So...before you accuse anyone of being a "backward thinking fool" go ahead and act a bit progressive and know where I stand on this issue. . .

-- Posted by Paige12 on Mon, Mar 19, 2012, at 9:20 PM


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