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Brazil man dies following accident

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

PUTNAM COUNTY -- A Brazil man died as the result of injuries sustained from a motorcycle accident late Tuesday.

According to officials with the Indiana State Police Putnamville District, an investigation into a motorcycle crash on United States 40 near County Road 625 West in Putnam County is ongoing.

The crash, according to officials, was the result of the driver losing control of the motorcycle while fleeing officials with the Brazil Police Department.

The driver, identified as David L. Godsey, 28, Brazil, was pronounced deceased at the scene.

A female passenger, identified as Jolene D. McCall, 25, Terre Haute, was airlifted to Methodist Hospital, Indianapolis.

A preliminary investigation revealed that at approximately 9:49 p.m., an officer with the Brazil Police Department attempted to stop a red, 1996 Honda RF3 motorcycle, which was traveling eastbound on Pinckley Street near Murphy Avenue while going 57 mph in a 25 mph zone.

The cycle continued eastbound at speeds of close to 100 mph and then turned north on County Road 200 East, continuing northbound to U.S. 40.

The cycle then turned eastbound on U.S. 40 with Clay County Sheriff's Department deputies and Brazil Police Department officials in pursuit.

Speeds maintained close to 100 mph as officers pursued the motorcycle into Putnam County.

At 9:55 p.m., on U.S. 40 near Putnam County Road 625 West, Godsey allegedly lost control and traveled off the south side of the roadway.

The driver and passenger were ejected from the cycle and both struck a wooden fence and drainage culvert.

The pursuit lasted approximately eight-and-a-half miles.

Officials said the two on the motorcycle were not wearing a helmet, although one helmet was found on the ground at the scene of the accident.

Putnam County Chief Deputy Coroner David Brown was on the scene and preliminarily determined Godsey died of blunt force trauma.

Toxicology results are pending. In addition, officials stated Godsey did not have a valid Indiana driver's license.

McCall was airlifted via AirEvac Helicopter, suffering from multiple life-threatening injuries.

The crash is still under investigation by ISP troopers.

Additional assistance came from the Putnam County Sheriff's Department, Cloverdale Police Department, Putnam County Operation Life and Reelsville Fire/Rescue.


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I heard the bike fly by my house last night with the BPD right behind him. If he was only going 57 MPH at Murphy, it sure sounded like he was going faster.

-- Posted by jerad on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 8:52 AM

What a horrible thing ......if people who are doing wrong would just STOP and deal with the consequences, there would be many less tragedies. Now there are families who have lost a loved one and they are the ones who will suffer as well.

-- Posted by JaniLou on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:35 AM

I thought there was some kind of law passed several years ago, about High Speed Pursuits, that the police were to back off, if they seen it was going to end up being a high speed chase. To keep, deaths like this from happening. I understand he was speeding and the Police seen that he wasn't going to pull over. They already knew who they were chasing, they probably already had the plate number of the bike. So, why go into a HIGH SPEED PURSUIT (especially on a motorcycle)when all they had to do was back off. He would had slowed down, then they would had caught him. AND nobody would had died or been hurt.

Now, we have lost another son/brother/a Dad/ and a friend from carelessness on both parties. Yes, he had been in trouble, but David was loved by many people, and will be missed greatly.

-- Posted by taz123422 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:43 AM

I WAS DRIVING HOME TUESDAY NIGHT AROUND 11:15 P.M. COMING FROM GREENCASLE. POLICE CAR WHERE PARKED IN FRONT OF COOK LUMBER IN REELSVILLE, THERE MUST OF BEEN 10 TO 12 CAR WITH THERE LIGHTS FLASHING AND THE GROUP OF OFFICER STANDING TOGETHER TALKING. I SLOWED TO 10 MPH TO PASS THIS SEEN, AFTER PASSING I RESUME THE SPEED LIMIT 55 MPH DRIVING TROUGH THE BIG WALNUT VALLEY AS I WAS GOING UP THE HILL FROM THE VALLEY I COULD SEE A LINE OF CAR RUNNING THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT ONE CAR WAS PASSING CAR LIKE THEY WERE STANDING STILL AND BEFORE I KNEW IT, THIS CAR WAS NOW PASS ME AS I PEAK THE HILL. IT SO HAPPEN IT WAS A WHITE POLICE CAR RUNNING WELL OVER 80 MPH. HIS LIGHT WHERE NOT FLASHING HE WAS JUST FLAT OUT SPEEDING. I SEE THIS EVERDAY, POLICE CARS DRIVEN 20 T0 30 MPH OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, WITH OUT THERE LIGHTS FLASH. MY POINT IS THAT POLICE HAVE THE SAME LAWS AND MORE AS WE THE PEOPLES DO. HERE A YOUNG MAN DIED FOR DOING THE SAMETHING DRIVING 20 TO 30 MPH. POLICE YOUR NOT ABOVE THE LAW, PRACTICE WHAT YOUR SUPPOSE TO UP HOLD," THE LAW'. THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN INDIANA OR ANYOTHER STATES. THIS IS A PERFECT CASE OF ABUSING THE LAW BY POWER. DON'T DO AS I DO,DO WHAT THE LAW STATES.

-- Posted by David B Wetnight on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 10:16 AM

What are the laws for Indiana for police pursuit? It seems to me that it would have been safer for everybody involved if they would've just gotten his license plate and backed off. I mean, unless the guy had a warrant on him or was fleeing from a more serious crime, it appears that it would have been more responsible to just get him at a later time. I don't know. If you're pursuing a motorcycle at high speeds at night with multiple police cars you've got to think that it's not going to end well; and this ended about as badly as it could.

-- Posted by Mr_S on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 10:27 AM

When are people going to take responsibility for their own actions. I'm tired of everything being the cops fault in this area. It is terrible that this resulted in a death. However, at any given time he could have ended this by simply pulling over. If he didn't have a license, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place. Period!

-- Posted by melissa.maynard on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 11:37 AM

I pray for the Godsey family and the police officer(s) involved.

Getting the plate number of any moving vehicle, especially a motorcycle would be extremely difficult without getting feet from the plate, itself. After you get the plate number, what do you have? A plate number, that's it. How you you know the person operating the cycle had not just committed a serious felony? Or maybe that person was wanted in another city or state for a homicide.

I assume no one commenting above was involved in the police chase, so we don't know the factors leading up to this terrible situation.

All we can do is speculate.

I'm with melissa.maynard on this one: be accountable for your actions, and JaniLou who stated "if people who are doing wrong would just STOP and deal with the consequences, there would be many less tragedies".

David B Wetnight said he was coming home, traveling west I assume. He "SLOWED TO 10 MPH TO PASS THIS SEEN". The accident was on the south side of the highway, he would have been on the north side of the highway with a grass divider separating the lanes. Slowing to 10 mph was probably to observe (like the majority of drivers do) what was going on on the south side of the highway. That too, is probably why there were "10 TO 12 CAR WITH THERE LIGHTS FLASHING AND THE GROUP OF OFFICER STANDING TOGETHER TALKING". See? They, too are inquisitive. Was there adequate police protection in Brazil and Clay County while this "investigation" was continuing? Probably not. Were all police officers on the scene involved? Probably not. If they were involved, then all officers present should be mentioned in the police report. If all are mentioned, they all should produce back-up reports. Think that'll happen? I don't.

Once again, my prayers to the Godsey family and the police involved.

-- Posted by My Dime on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 1:22 PM

To taz...i thought there was a law that when the police turn on their lights you were supposed to pull over.and to the rest that say just get the plate number...try doin that at those speeds. more uneducated comments from the public makes us all look dumb.and to my dime i would think the other officers would be there for traffic control so we should tie them up with a traffic report? NOT....always easy to blame the police...take responsibility for your actions and dont judge the ones that will run to your aid when you need them...

-- Posted by well done on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 1:44 PM

Yes what are the laws for a high speed chase in Indiana? I walk out my front door last night and saw the Sheriffs department SUV flying down 40. I'm very surprised this did not cause another accident. Going that fast there is no time to see or hear their sirens.None of the other squad cars were going that fast.The motor cycle driver was putting everyone's lives at risk why add to it?

-- Posted by tyronecayton on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 3:24 PM

I'm curious, why has the name of the officer that initiated this "chase" not been released?

-- Posted by riconeal on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 3:40 PM

To hear of everyone blaming the cops is very disturbing to me. If the young man would of just stopped like he was supposed to all would be well and no one would be hurt or dead. Yeah, you can get the plate number, but even in a car, just because you have the plate number doesn't mean you have that driver or any one associated with that vehicle. Yes, I am sorry for the family members that lost a loved one, but if you had raised your children to do right and obey the law these things would not of happened. Sorry to sound so heartless, but this is just the way I feel. The cops are here to serve and protect and that's their job if people would just obey the law it wouldn't make things so difficult for the cops and cause such horrific outcomes.

-- Posted by Wings1980 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 4:30 PM

that man on the motorcycle passed our house which is on 40 and he was doing over 125mph.it was like a real quick zip and then seconds later u heard 5 cop cars go by and then 2 more minutes later.sad thing is my husband looked at me and said,"well i guess that guy is going to be dead tonight." not because of the cops but because of how fast he was going.there is no way anyone could survive that speed.that was very stupid of both parties and they should of wore helmets.

-- Posted by sexymommy on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 5:57 PM

You people make me so sad bickering and pointing and judging. A young man is dead. He has a family and lots of friends who are devastated with the loss of him. They live in YOUR community. How jaded and coldhearted you are to make such comments. If it were one of your loved ones you would not be so quick to judge I'm sure. David may have been a hellion but he was also a NICE person (which is more than I can say about some of you). Get down from off your high horses and see this tragedy for the sad event that it is. My heart goes out to David's family and friends. I can't imagine the pain you are dealing with right now. David ~ be at peace young one.

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 7:25 PM

This motorcycle was traveling at a high rate of speed in a low speed zone, what about the safety of the residents in Brazil. While some of you are quick to blame the police for this unfortunate accident they are, as we speak, putting their lives on the line every day and night they put that badge on. While you sit in your home safe and sound they are on the streets making sure you are "safe and sound". The initiator of the pursuit was the criminal refusing to stop. If the police let everyone go that tried to run from them then wouldn't every one run instead of pulling over and facing the consequences of breaking the law? Try supporting the officers for doing their jobs because you never know when they will be coming to YOUR rescue.

-- Posted by Badatitude on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 8:52 PM

Just another black eye on the law enforcement folks. They will never learn. I've lived in this county for almost 70 years and for the love of me I can't remember hor many people has lost there lives while being persued by the Police. Should the individuals run, NO,

Should I chace them going in excess of 100 miles an hour, NO., Use some common sence. I feel sorry for the family of this young man and young woman. I also feel sorry for the young man who was in persuit, for he will have to deal with this the rest of his life, we always ask ourselves if we done the right thing. God be with you all.

-- Posted by Eaglesnest 1 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:02 PM

I had said that I am sorry for the families loss, but if the shoe was on the other foot I would still feel the same way. The law should be obeyed no matter what. It is put there to protect us. My children know that at anytime if they were to be in a situation like this (which I hope they don't ever fall into the category of being in trouble or causing trouble) that they are to obey the law and take their punishment and not run from it. Once again sorry to the families.

-- Posted by Wings1980 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 11:41 PM

Yes David was guilty of a moving traffic violation and he paniced and ran like any other kid who has been in trouble with the law.Yes he didnt stop when they came out in pursuit of him and he lost his life for the actions he took but in the same token i feel the officers should have backed off i mean they had radios in the car call ahead and set up a roadblock to detain him; isnt that what the radios in the car are for? also when the police are going that fast they are also jeopardizing other people who are on the highway driving at such an excessive speed; remeber it doesnt take much to cause an accident. what if a deer jumped out in front of the cruiser could he have reacted fast enough to avoid causing another accident with another individual . All i am saying is when is excessive speed necessary and was the infraction serious enough to go on a high pursuit chase ending in tragedy. we need to set laws to avoid situations like this in the future and hold citizens and law enforcement liable .....just a note these police cruisers have cameras and radios in them its not like they got away with the violation

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 12:05 AM

taz123422, Mr_S and brazil citizen: You just don't get it. You can't arrest a license plate. Had police stopped pursuit and went to the "license plate's" house later, the "license plate" would have probably said the bike was stolen earlier. I know plate would have maybe still been alive, but if officers let people fly by them and just get plate numbers or run stop signs and cite them later, what's next? Watching people weave all over the road and then not stop because they either do not see the lights or hear the siren or simply refuse to stop because they think they are almost home, safe in their driveway?

When YOU lose a loved one due to one of these law-breakers, you'll wonder "where were the police?". Can you imagine a police officer saying, "Yeah. I saw him speeding earlier, but I got his plate number, so it's okay". Then, thirty minutes later hearing on your police radio that a pedestrian had been struck by that same vehicle. How would you feel?

The LAW IS THE LAW. Take responsibility, be accountable.

-- Posted by My Dime on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:13 AM

I so agree with you MY DIME and to BRAZIL CITIZEN are you serious about blaming the cops for going that fast and jeopardizing other citizens? Wasn't David the one that started running and caused the speeding up of things??? I wish everyone would quit making it seem ohh so sad for David, if he would of just taken the punishment given to him we wouldn't even be writing any of this and he would still be here today.

-- Posted by Wings1980 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 9:53 AM

Each of you have made good points...however, I still stand tight with the fact that #1 ~ the person doing something wrong should just STOP and deal with the problem. #2 ~ these high speed chases are killing more and more INNOCENT people every day....So, does that make it right for the law enforcers to just keep chasing?????? NO! Another comment and then I'll shut up... there are so many many times that I see police cars (in this county for example, and I am NOT in Clay Co.)... just suddenly TURN...NO TURN SIGNALS....NO WARNINGS......... is everyone just supposed to be waiting for that to occur or what? Very sad situations no matter where you live. And as many of you have stated.....it is the families that are now without a loved one. No matter who it is, that family is now without a dad, son, brother, cousin, the list goes on and on.......in ANY of these tragic situations. Hopefully the young female will survive.....but no doubt will never be the same, nor will her family. LAWS ARE MADE TO OBEY...........BY "EVERYONE" !

-- Posted by JaniLou on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 12:51 PM

I wish everyone would quit making it seem ohh so sad for David- Posted by Wings1980 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 9:53 AM

ARE YOU SERIOUS ? Your comments are unnecessary and hateful. You reek of holier than thou attitude. WE get it he broke the law. David was young and he made a bad decision. He died because of that decision. If you don't see the sadness in this scenario I pity you. Regardless of ANYTHING else this IS sad. I deleted the rest of my post because I don't want to sink to your level. Anyone with a heart would see this as a sad event. That's all I have to say.

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 6:04 PM

Loandbehold is obviously a family member of mr. Godsey. I am sorry to say this, but it was his own actions that cost him his life. I mean why would you run and risk your life than pay a $150 ticket? Common sense is not so common any more

You know that poor girl on the back of the motorcycle was pleading for him to stop.

Don't try to blame the cops for doing what they were trained to do.

-- Posted by MS660 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 7:37 PM

first of all; i would respectfully and humbly offer my condolences to the family of this young man, his loved ones and friends.

after researching this issue through the national institute of justice, united states department of justice, f.b.i. bulletins, international association of chiefs of police, the national highway transportation safety administration and making a personal phone call to an out of state police officer (who by the way is also a graduate of the f.b.i. academy); i became very upset.

the facts and statistics at these websites will clearly speak for themselves. this pursuit and several others in the past that have resulted in deaths; should have clearly been terminated. model police pursuit polices are completely ignored around here.

how many more young people will we lose over what boils down to be immature or irresponsible decisions to flee. these young people were not in the commission of violent criminal acts; nor had they committed violent felonies. nor did they pose a serious danger to public safety. the facts and statistics will show that these types of pursuits create a greater danger to public safety. and the termination of these pursuits far outweigh the apprehension of these individuals.

i will be honest and say that "we do have alot of good law enforcement officers in this community" but, the ones that aren't; are giving all of you a "black eye" in the public's opinion. step out from behind that "blue wall", come forward and make yourselves and your presence known. this stuff has got to stop. put the community's faith; back in your departments

-- Posted by madmarkbedwell on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:16 PM

"I'm curious, why has the name of the officer that initiated this "chase" not been released?" REALLY! It's bad enough this officer has to live the rest of his life knowing that by doing his JOB a life was taken. What difference does it make what his name is?

-- Posted by trapperfrye on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:48 PM

I'll tell you what difference it makes Trapper, if it where you or I that by doing our job a life was taken our names would be plastered all over the front page of every paper in the area. As a matter of fact, the names of all the officers involved in this sad affair should be posted. If they were held publicly accountable for their role in these type of situations instead of hiding behind their shield, perhaps there would be a lot less of these type of tragedies for the people of our community to endure.

-- Posted by riconeal on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 10:33 PM

It's really sad to hear people say hateful things. Regardless of what he did, he didn't deserve to lose his life. People make mistakes all the time. . . & for the people who are saying nasty hurtful things ( when his family is reading this and are going through a lot ) SHAME ON YOU. I would bet anything, if your child, grandson, father, brother, friend ect. mad a "mistake" and lost their life, you wouldn't feel the way you do towards them as you do David. Yea, stopping would have made things better, but he didn't do that. . The cops should not chase anyone at that kinda speed and esp. with a passanger. Some of you people are heartless and i will pray for you. It's a shame that you can't be respectful for his family. . They have done nothing to you nor has David. So save your nasty disrespectful comments.

-- Posted by Jenna.Long on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 11:06 PM

ok my dime why is it you can get a traffic citation for running a red light and no police are there and you recieve a citation in the mail or person aand you didnt answer the question of why would the officers put others in the same situation when they have radios and can set up roadblocks which would be more safer ... i mean all they got to do is follow at a lower rate of speed and radio it ahead.... look at it this way if they had 10 cars there you know they was out there in abundance and could have done it safer.and if it was a person who comitted a violent crime i could see the difference but not in this case

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 11:23 PM

well said madmarkbedwell, we do have some excellent police officers and also some overzealous officers but i cant believe some of you act like a trffic violation was a criminal offense ,my god dont tell me you ever go over speed limit,run a stop sign or cheated a parking meter.... what is needed is to implement a safe zone where noone will endanger thier life and i trust after this the county sheriff and police chief will sit down and work on viable set of rules that the fbi and other agencies implemented...that is my hope for a better and safer clay county....... btw had a friend got stopped going home from work and the reason was one of the license plate lights was out and it has 2 lights on it ..... need i say more on whats really important to our dept

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 11:38 PM

The police shouldnt of pursued them on a open hi way at those speeds knowing that they weren't going to outrun a motorcycle he also had a possible innocent passenger with him I believe the police were just out for a adrenaline rush thrill of the chase because any experienced professional officer would of called it off especially with a passenger on the back of the bike it was a inexperienced judgment call of the police

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 2:15 AM

lovethistown: after considering all said, including my own, your entry makes more sense than any of the comments above.

-- Posted by My Dime on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 7:52 AM

I have mixed feelings about this. However, I hold more responsibility toward David, than I do the police officer. I'm sorry, but the officer was just doing his job. Let's say, for instance, that the officer simply somehow managed to get close enough to read his license plate number at a high rate of speed, and then backed off so that they could arrest him at a later time, and then 500 yards later, Mr. Godsey ran over a child that was riding their bike with their family in the area. What then? Then you all would be blaming the police officer because he backed off and an innocent life was taken.

So, again, I'm sorry that David lost his life; It sucks, it really does. His children will grow up without a father, but just as if he would've been a drunk driver that ran into a tree and killed himself - it was his choice. His actions led to this.

And, by the way, it's not like this was his first ever criminal action. Take a look at the courthouse, and you will see everything that he has been charged with. Earlier this year, he was charged with RESISTING LAW ENFORCEMENT, OPERATING A VEHICLE WHILE INTOXICATED ENDANGERING A PERSON, AND RECKLESS DRIVING. My guess is that he knew if he got caught he would have to serve some serious jail time on his probation violations.

I'm sorry if this upsets some of you, I'm sorry if you feel that I'm mean, but if my husband were to jeopardize the lives of others in such a foolish action, I would be mad at him, not the officer!

-- Posted by cheyenne1984 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 8:43 AM

DRIVE EAST ON PINKLEY ST.PAST MURPHY AVE. DRIVING IN EXCESS 100 MPH FIRST OF ALL ITS VERY HARD TO DO TRY DRIVING IT A 60 MPH. THE ROAD IS TERRIBLE MAIL BOX,TREES, TELEPHONE POLLS, BUMPY POT HOLES ON AN UNEVEN SURFACE. THAT DRIVE WELL SCARE THE .... OUT OF YOU. DAVID DROVE IT WITH A RIDER AT SPEED BY POLICE REPORT AT 100 MPH. SO HOW IS IT THAT HE LOSES CONTROL ON HWY 40 E. ON A SMOOTH HWY, AFTER COMING OUT OF A LONG STRETCH OF HWY THE BIG WALNUT RIVER VALLEY, CLEARING THE PEAK, A NICE SMOOTH CURVE TO THE LEFT AND LOT OF CLEAR HWY TO LOOK AT, UNLESS SOMETHING WAS BLOCKING HIS PATH. THERE IS A MEDIAN TURN RIGHT IN FRONT OF COOKS LUMBER. COULD IT BE THAT SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE TURNED IN FRONT OF HIM TO MAKE HIM LOOSE CONTROL? I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL INVESTIGATOR BUT ITS HARD TO BELEAVE THAT DAVID JUST LOST CONTROL. MAYBE SOMEONE CONTROL HIS LOST. I'M SADDEN AT A LOSE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. A SAD DAY FOR ALL. MAYBE SOMETHING GOOD WILL COME OUT OF THIS.

-- Posted by David B Wetnight on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 12:12 PM

You guys can say whatever u want doesn't matter I blame both parties neither David nor the police took the proper action

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 2:04 PM

I mean seriously my question is why would the police put a possible innocent passenger in danger Brazil city police needs to quit hiring extremely young cops with big heads an egos

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 2:08 PM

To MS660 ~

First of all I am not a family member and it is interesting that you would jump to that conclusion based on my post.

Second of all ~ you need to read my posts again OR take a reading comprehension course because I didn't even say anything about the cops or who was at fault I SAID that it is SAD no matter WHAT the details were. I SAID that people are HEARTLESS to not see it as a sad event. However I will say that your common sense comment would seem to cover both the cops AND David since COMMON sense, I would think, would tell anyone that the chase was gonna end badly and yet they still chased a man FOR SPEEDING WITH AN INNOCENT PASSENGER ON THE BACK until they crashed. This tragedy has blame on BOTH sides in my opinion. Too many young people lose their lives in scenarios like this. They will never have the opportunity to grow up and mature. THEY ARE YOUNG. What was the cop's excuse for his bad decision to keep chasing a motorcycle with an innocent passenger til it crashed in another county ? Did they think he was gonna change his mind and stop ? I am not saying David was right BUT I am saying that there's plenty of blame for everyone involved if you want to go down the common sense road.

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 5:04 PM

The only one that had no choice in this tragedy was the girl on the back of the motorcycle and the officers involved were every bit as guilty for causing her injuries as David was. If she were my daughter there would ABSOLUTELY be a lawsuit. If they had not been chasing the motorcycle when it crashed then yes David would own ALL of the blame, but the story didn't end that way, did it ? I wonder if she felt PROTECTED by the officers that were chasing them ? They did not even CONSIDER her. Since when is it ok to endanger the victim to get the bad guy ? I mean really ?

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 5:23 PM

I like how cops can drive a hundred down the street in a non emergency with no lights on then swerve off the road into there house car garage but they can chase someone to the death with a possible innocent passenger something needs to be done more training for police because obviously they have no high speed pursuit experience

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 5:27 PM

Your right it doesn't matter if David was a murderer terrorist ect there was a innocent girl on the back the police was not looking at her best interest

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 5:36 PM

Tell me would you kill to save a life

Tell me would you kill to prove you're right

Crash crash Burn let it all burn

This hurricane's chasing us all underground

The ends DOES NOT justify the means. A badge should not cover bad judgement on the part of the officers involved.

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 5:42 PM

To LoandBehold, You say that there is blame on both sides. There is no blame for the officers doing THEIR JOBS. The blame goes all on David for not pulling over. This was not the first time that David ran from the police.

David was driving without a license, he was speeding at 57mph in a 25mph speed zone, he was carrying a passenger on a motorcycle without a motorcycle license (against indiana state code), neither were wearing a helmet (Indiana state code states that anyone without their motorcycle endorsement, meaning anyone riding on a permit, must wear a helemt at all times), he was riding after dark without a motorcycle endorsement (Indiana state code states that anyone without a motorcycle endorsement, meaning anyone riding on a permit, must not ride after dark), and when the officer tried to pull him over for the initial known offense of speeding, he ran.

You also state in your comment about young people dying in horrible accidents like this that will not have the chance to grow up or mature. David was 28 years old. Do you not think that a 28 year old should not be considered mature or be held accountable for their actions?

Yes, it is very sad that David died because of this situation. I feel deeply for his family. I also feel deeply for the passenger and her family too. However, all of this could have been avoided if David had pulled over in the first place because the officer was doing his job of initiating a traffic stop when someone was breaking the law.

I saw a comment where someone stated that it is rediculous to think that people out there actually believe that the police should not pursue people when they run. I totally agree with this because if the police never pursued anyone that ran, the streets would be so dangerous from people doing whatever they wanted to and then running from the police to get away with it that I would not want to even step foot out my front door or even let my kids outside to play in the yard.

If people would obey the law and stop when the police tried to pull them over these accidents would not happen. It is very sad when they do but people need to be held accountable for their actions, not have their actions defended by every uneducated fool out there that thinks they know better than everyone else.

-- Posted by crybbyh8r on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM

Your ridiculous u must be a cop

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 6:36 PM

Each pursuit should be treated differently accordingly to the circumstances an risk involved it was at night it wasnt in a school zone traffic was light how do u know that the poor girl wasn't begging him to stop maybe someday it will be your son or daughter on the back then we will see if u have a different tone when ur son or daughter is laying in a casket right before ur eyes over a pursuit where safety was not at number one important an I agree the police should pursue people until it gets at a high risk where death is immenant

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 6:56 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not a cop.

To lovethistown. How do you know that the girl on the back wasn't telling him to run and to keep running. We won't know unless she pulls through and is able to tell her side of the story.

You are right. Each pursuit should be and is treated differently depending on the risk involved.

You are also right that it was at night, it wasn't in a school zone and that traffic was light. That means that the inherent risk of the pursuit was lower.

As soon as he decided to run there was a high risk of death and death was most likely immenent due to the fact that he was on a motorcycle AND the fact that he had a passenger, so you are basically saying that the officer should have turned their lights off and turned around as soon as David accelerated.

I would be very upset if my son or daughter was injured in any way in a pursuit where they were an innocent passenger. That being said, I would never be mad at the police for doing their job and I would never blame them for "causing the accident". All of the blame for that goes on the person that decides to break the law and run from the police when they get caught breaking the law.

-- Posted by crybbyh8r on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 7:37 PM

From what i have heard she died also

-- Posted by lovethistown on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 8:26 PM

I also heard this woman was 5 months..lets all pray this is just a rumor, because if its not, that girl should not have been on a motorcycle in the first place. tragedy is tragedy. pray for everyone involved.

-- Posted by oleballer on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 10:56 PM

five months pregnant is what i meant to say

-- Posted by oleballer on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 10:58 PM

ok crybby lets take the radios out of the cars that surely could have been used to call ahead to set up a roadblock,,,,, from what i see what they are posting its not to stop pursuit but slow down and not endanger lifes and use common sense such as using the radio to set up a roadblock and apprehend him not to kill him otherwise take the damn radios out of the car if they are not going to be used for the reason they was installed.....just saying

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:26 AM

TO crybby:

You SAY you are not a cop and yet you make statements like: "You are right. Each pursuit should be and is treated differently depending on the risk involved." Where are you getting your facts to make a statement like that ?

You TALK about: "every uneducated fool out there that thinks they know better than everyone else." What credentials do you have that makes your opinion above anyone elses ? Really ? You feel the need to resort to insults and name-calling like a child. Is that all you got ?

If you read my post again (perhaps someone should read it to you since you didn't seem to comprehend what I was saying or maybe it's just that selective tunnel vision you seem to have) I was not defending anyone I AM saying however that in my opinion the officers chasing were just as much at fault for this accident that ended fatally. I AM saying that in my opinion the officers were not protecting the girl on the back of the motorcycle. I have the right to have an opinion and that doesn't make me an uneducated fool who thinks they know better than everyone else. I stand by my OPINION. The story speaks for itself. I cannot even imagine what the officers were thinking. They totally DISREGARDED the safety of the girl on the back of the motorcycle. If it were a bank robbery would it have been ok to shoot up the bank to get the robbers even if there were innocent people in the bank ? Sounds silly doesn't it ? Officers wouldn't do that, right ? AND YET a bank robbery is a much more serious crime than speeding , wouldn't you say ? To put it bluntly that poor young girl had no one around her that was looking out for her safety. David wasn't gonna stop, she couldn't get off the bike, and the Officers weren't gonna stop til that bike was in the ditch. All they were worried about was getting their man. ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. Serve and protect ?

Yeah right...

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 9:15 AM

What would you call that ? Collateral damage ?

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 9:22 AM

Many of you have said this man was just a young kid who made a mistake and ran from the cops. Has it occurred to anyone that the cop who pursued him could also have been around the same age? This is what happens when known criminals run from the police and inexperienced kids with know-it-all attitudes are put in charge of Police Departments. A perfect recipe for tragedy.

-- Posted by Zen on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 1:05 PM

All I HAVE READ ON HERE IS "I HEARD OR WHAT IF". IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, THEN WHY ARE YOU ON HERE SPECULATING. I AM AWARE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION. THAT OPINION SHOULD BE BASED ON FACT, NOT LIES OR RUMORS. AS THE OLD SAYING GOES, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND MAKE PEOPLE WONDER IF YOU ARE A FOOL OR OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT.

-- Posted by to whom on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 1:29 PM

so i guess your the fool here then towhom for reading this lol. so is it a rumor or lie someone died running from the law i think not and since this is america everyone has thier own right to their opinion

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 5:54 PM

To Whom you have certainly opened YOUR mouth and removed all my doubt and that's based on facts cause I see your post right in front of my eyes. When I read your post my mental image conjured a little kid with their fists balled up and their eyes squeezed shut screaming "SHUT UP SHUT UP". If you don't want to know peoples opinions, a simple solution is to not read them. You don't need to express YOUR OPINION that people are FOOLS to express their opinions. Name calling is so grade school. If you want to talk at the adult table please refrain from acting like a child. Your rant was unnecessary, and to be honest, I am a little embarrassed for you. So please go back to your sandbox and let the adults talk Sweetie. Don't forget to drink your koolaid the nice man gave you.

-- Posted by LoandBehold on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 3:17 PM

There is no state law on pursuit. It is sometimes adopted by departments into their "Standard Operating Procedures," which is up to the department.

The bottom line is he ran from the law. Officers have to pursue or everyone will start running. That is, unless they can identify the individual 100% without a doubt.

It is sad that a life was lost; however, it was lost due to the drivers inability to stop when an Officer has the duty to initiate a traffic stop. It could have been avoided by the driver abiding by the Law. It is sad that people put blame on the police Officers. Very sad!

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 8:46 PM

ya it was all his fault... wat ev man. he was a good person and nt the first to die because of this lil poedunk towns over zelezness (hopefuly spelled right) to catch ppl. a yng girl died last time. whatev...... he was my friend and no matter wat u should respect his children and family.

-- Posted by lifeistooshort1971 on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 9:41 PM

For the sake of his kids and family. . . Think before you type. I have known David for many many years. . He was not a bad person but like everyone sometimes made poor choices. . Soo that is what he did.. he made a poor choice by not stopping and he lost his life over it. . You people are sick to keep this going. . You have NO consideration for his family, so there for you are making a poor choice. Let him and his name lay to rest without the nasty comments. Didn't you mothers teach you "If you have nothing nice to say, don't speak"? If not, learn something now. Why do you put your energy into posting about people who are arrested for METH and stuff that really effects the town you live in. . Not someone who cannot even defend themself. . . & FYI: the girl is NOT dead.

-- Posted by Jenna.Long on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 11:18 AM


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