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Sunday, February 3, 2013

Clay County resident L.T. Clark has been a member of the National Rifle Association since 1964.

"I'm a major contributor," Clark said. "And I'm also a Golden Eagle."

Clark said the Golden Eagles are members of the premier division of the NRA.

However, for close to a decade, the association has not received contributions from Clark.

And he said he doesn't plan on giving any more any time soon.

Recently, Clark told The Brazil Times that despite his long-time membership with the NRA, he is not pleased with how the organization is reacting to recent school shootings in Newtown, Conn., where 20 school children and six staff members were killed at an elementary school.

"I have fallen out with the NRA," Clark said. "Not only am I embarrassed, I'm ashamed."

Clark recently returned to Clay County from a trip to Arkansas. While in Arkansas, he said he witnessed assault rifles being used on thousands of geese, attempting to keep the geese from getting into a winter wheat field.

"It's useless," Clark said. "They opened fire on the geese. This issue about assault rifles ... it's ridiculous.

"These men ... they opened fire and the collateral damage was catastrophic. There were wounded birds, dead birds, birds of prey (hawks and eagles) waited in the wings to feed on the dead and dying."

Since the Columbine shootings, Clark said he has openly disagreed with the continued stance of the NRA.

Shortly after the Newton, Conn., shootings, the NRA responded by stating armed guards should be in all schools nationwide.

Following the deadly incident, President Barack Obama assembled a group to discuss possible ways to curb violence with guns.

However, since the shootings, the organization has repeated its stance on guns, stating a ban on assault weapons is not necessary.

From Clark's perspective, the stance is the wrong one.

"Anytime you use an assault weapon, you get the idea that weapon was manufactured and made for one purpose and one purpose only: To kill people," Clark said. "There's no need for assault weapons. Yet, my people, who are colleagues, constituents, and even my own relatives, say that the assault weapon has its place."

Clark said, in his opinion, the NRA's view on the Second Amendment, which states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed," is skewed.

"It's the way they interpret the Second Amendment," Clark said, adding when the amendment was written, those with weapons loaded one piece of ammunition at a time.

Since his views changed, Clark said he has touched base with the organization, but his opinions fell on "deaf ears."

I'm proud to be a member, but I'm very ashamed to adopt the doctrine they adopt with assault weapons," he said. "But I'm in the minority.

"It's awful. It's taken a turn in a direction of an idiotic idea that these assault weapons are necessary."

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I am lucky to get this time to read this fine article about "semi-auto rifles". I am currently in the military, and I carry an assault weapon everyday, I could tell you anything about the M4 from the length to the PSI in the chamber, but I don't know that much about the AR-15 just enough that I can vouch for them. A couple things catch my eye reading your article, for instance most civilians do not LEGALLY own assault rifles, they own semi-automatic rifles. Go to a gun sales web site, like Gander Mountain and see what you find under the category "assault rifle". Let me save you time and tell you, there is nothing. They are called semi-auto rifles. The difference, an assault rifle which would be military issue, M4 has a selector switch for semi, and burst. Also the barrel is designed to attach my M203 to the bottom. The AR-15 DO NOT have any of these options. Now we know what those weapons are really called "Semi-auto rifles", lets go to your second issue why you turned against them.

I know people in this world kill animals for fun, its sick, and cruel. But what can you do about that??? NOTHING, your not superman. Taking away AR-15's, cool problem solved, but about a month later people will be using semi-auto shotguns, or just a different set up of a semi-auto rifle. People can act stupid and do dumb things, we CAN NOT stop them. If you seen those people shooting geese illegally, call DNR, or go confront them. If it bothers you, step up and solve the problem.

Finally people who are doing these shootings, are messed up. They have these "semi-auto rifles", and will not give them up. If someone is breaking the law and planning on killing innocent people, why would they give up their weapons????? But in return we have the good citizens obeying the law and turning in their semi-auto rifles in which leaves them defenseless. No matter what, no matter how hard you try, there will always be some kind of danger out there. Its life, you cant stop it, just prepare for it. So the NRA suggesting armed security guards in school, is a good idea cause it PREPARES for it anything like this.

-- Posted by Smith92 on Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM

I agree with the comments of Mr. Clark. I have been a member for a much shorter time but I am also disappointed in some of the stances and skewed interperatations.

-- Posted by coachB on Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 7:19 PM

Well said, Smith92. I would add that there hasn't been ONE investigation into the mind altering drugs being taken by the VAST majority of the school shooters.

Another thing that most people don't consider is that the citizens of this country need to remain armed, not only as a deterrent to outsiders who would take over our country-- but also as a deterrent to our own government.

-- Posted by nimarose60 on Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 8:09 PM

I WONDER IF MR. CLARK OR COACH B HAVE EVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY SERVICE ? they could use dynamite to kill thoes geese if no guns are used .

-- Posted by car11 on Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 8:46 PM

Mr. Clark, I am a former member of the NRA. I agree with your comments completely. If people have the right to own assault rifles can their rights to enriching uranium in their backyard be far behind.

It is ironic that we don't let people use high powered rifles in Indiana because we believe that the population is disbursed in such a way to make such firearms unsafe. However, it is perfectly ok to own an assault rifle to fire at rodents or tin cans in most rural areas.

Funny that the government feels that it is my right to own such a destructive weapon but questions the validity of social security as an entitlement that needs reforming. Well I have been paying into social security for over 45 years and every year until the last two or three I got a piece of paper showing me what I was going to get upon my retirement. Ergo, the idea of entitlement wasn't my original idea.

In my opinion this is but two examples of how screwed up our government has become in their priorities and rationalization.

-- Posted by zmclmma on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 8:19 AM

Larry didn't you use to shoot pigeons up at the court house? You didn't care then or now. Grab your ears and pull your head out. It's not the NRA it is you.

-- Posted by Dog Breath on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM

Mr. Clark has the right to his opinion, as ill-informed and ill-advised as it is. I t doesn't matter how one tries to "idiot-proof" the world, idiots will always find a wrong way to do the wrong thing.

On that note, do you realize that the incidents of gun violence in Chicago today actually outnumber the totals for the period prior to the banning of the public owning fully automatic firearms, even with some of the most restrictive "gun-control" laws in the nation?

There are four words, contained in the 2nd Amendment that many people either do not know the meaning of or blatantly disregard, those being "shall not be infringed". When one understands that phrase, it becomes apparent that ANY government interference in limiting the arms of the public is in violation of the 2nd Amendment and not even another part of the Constitution can be used to justify any restrictions, period. Even the collection of sales tax on a transaction concerning arms is actually a violation of the 2nd Amendment. In writing the majority opinion in the Supreme Court case, District of Columbia v. Heller, Justice Scalia infers as much, yet argues against himself saying that the government can restrict the right to keep and bear arms elsewhere. I suggest that everyone read the opinions on that case in their entirety, there is a lot of information that needs to be known, but the bottom line is that, as Justice Scalia points out, the Constitution was not written so you have to have a legal background or education to understand it. It was written in such a manner so as to be understood by everyone who could read.

Why was the musket the preferred military firearm of the Revolutionary War period when the rifle had been invented over a century before and it was common knowledge that a spinning projectile (arrow, spear, bullet, or ball) was more accurate? The answer is the same as the answer to the question of why most military arms of today are auto-loading...the speed of reloading the firearm for the next shot.

But I can agree with Mr. Clark on one thing, I'll never join the NRA. They, and a lot of Americans, are far too willing to compromise freedom in hopes of correcting the idiocy of the few!

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 2:44 PM


-- Posted by car11 on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 3:10 PM

I applaud L.T. I am sure he knew he was stirring up a controversy, but he had the courage of his convictions. People, no one is coming to take all your guns. Take a deep breath and let's all calm down. The problem of violence is multi-faceted, but what the heck is wrong with background checks?

-- Posted by alwaysopenminded on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 3:14 PM

What is wrong with background checks? Government held records, that's what. Perhaps people missed it when a newspaper got the names and addresses of all permit holders in three counties in New York and put them on the Internet. Makes it pretty easy for the criminals to know who might have a gun and who doesn't, now doesn't it. In itself, government records concerning arms is a violation of the 2nd Amendment....and the misuse of that information leaves both the government and the user liable under tort law.

The problem of violence is not "multi-faceted"...it is all the matter of the person. Guns are inanimate objects, they do nothing until someone does something with them.

-- Posted by Leo L. Southworth on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 3:29 PM

I wonder when the times will have a front page article highlighting the more popular views of we many NRA members?

I'm a Democrat that opposes President Obama Where's my front page headlines?

I am well aware of the fact that our local paper is a joke but this belonged in opinion and editorial it's not real news.

-- Posted by younggun on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 3:47 PM

Sounds like another opinion, that has been stretched into telling people what they can do on there property as well as what guns they can and can't have.

-- Posted by Do what on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 5:04 PM

I don't understand why this was published on the front page? Does the paper agree with the expressed opinion/ views of who the article is about? I am a proud member of the NRA and fully support them. It's simple, if you do not agree do not join!

This should have been in the opinion section, not on the front page. Just my OPINION!

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 7:43 PM

LOL, not really sure where to start. The 2nd Amendment has been discussed for years it has even went before the Supreme Court and yet it still stands thankfully. The issues appear to be the killing of Geese with (assault weapons) I'm not sure what an assault weapon is other than a term given to a firearm by a politician trying to pass gun control legislation.

The killing of Geese with a semi-auto 223 rifle built on a AR-15 platform is no more dangerous than a Ruger 10-22 with a 30rd magizine.I find it amazing that a person or persons feel they can tell me a law abiding citizen what type of firearm I can own.

It appears to me the real problem is not the weapon but the tactics and killing of the Geese. It states the Geese were killed to keep them out of a wheat field, if it's legal where the problem is. If you're trying to kill them and its legal what's the real issue the killing or the weapon used to kill them. It appears to me it's the killing of the Geese that's the problem not the weapon, like always people blame the weapon.

I'm real question is why in gods name is this opinion on the front page of the paper that I have to pay for. This writer has based no facts only opion about gun control. The Brady bill 1994-2004 did nothing to reduce gun violence and deaths related to firearms hence the reason it was let to expire, THATS A FACT put it on the front page.

-- Posted by SimpleIsBetter on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 9:03 PM

I thought everyone knew that the Brazil Times was a left wing Newspaper.

-- Posted by TiredofIdiots on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 9:50 PM

The problem with the Geese is they are domesticated now and do not go South. and because they are over populated, they destroy crops. That is why there are lots of cities, states doing Geese kills to keep them in check, and alot of them clean and donate the meat to charities for homeless shelters and food banks. Believe it or not there are normal people without food that are glad to eat wild game, such as Geese, ducks, and yes deer.One .223 hole is alot better than meat full of buckshot that you can't get it all out before you cook it.

-- Posted by TiredofIdiots on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 10:14 PM

this story is the type of propaganda our government controlled media puts out. same as when the city of brazil and it's city parks board said they had the authority to prohibit us from carrying our handguns in the park. officials from the city of brazil made public statements of intimidation and threats; and then put it in print. that story clearly involved 2 or more persons. that it in it's self was a federal crime; 18 usc 241 conspiracy against rights. what is really funny is they think everyone would be fools and fall for it. ha ha

please be advised that carrying my handgun openly in the city parks,is perfectly lawful; and i am well within my rights. and that anyone under the color of law who chooses to deprive me of those rights is in the commission of another federal crime 18 usc 242. YES, that means if a person who is licensed and openly carrying; is following the law.

thanks go to the city of brazil for openly admitting your criminal intentions and putting them in print.

-- Posted by madmarkbedwell on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 6:04 AM

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Larry Clark. I am not a hunter I target shoot rifle and some trapshooting. I have been an issued firearm my whole working career. 21 years with Bureau of Prisons and 38 years in the National Guard with three Deployments to Combat Zones. A weapon is only a tool not unlike a hammer or an axe which can cause very serious damage if not used properly. The banning a AR15 just because it looks like an M4 Carbine is really just silly. A M1 Garand with an eight round clip firing a 30-06 round is so much a powerful round and is accurate to 800 yards to me this would be a more lethal weapon in the right hands. Bottom line in both the BOP and U.S. Army I took an oath to protect and Defend the Constitution against Foreign and Domestic enemies. Therefore Larry I do support your right to address your opinions and I also will protect the rights of LAW Abiding People having the weapon of their choice to protect their families and property.

-- Posted by gibbens on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 10:56 AM

Universal background checks will of necessity result in a list of everyone who owns a gun, where they live, and what guns they own. Historically, governments have consistently followed such lists with confiscation. And then followed such confiscation with mass murders of people who disagree with the government policies.

Our country is unusual in validating the God-given (not government given) right to self-defense from enemies both foreign and domestic. Repeal of the 2nd Amendment would not in any way deny the people their God-given right. That right is not the government's to give or take away.

Our Constitution is basically the contract between the people and the government. It says specifically what the Federal government can and cannot do.

The 2nd Amendment is in the Constitution to make certain that when the government breaks the contract, the people will have the means to protect themselves from said government, as a last resort.

The knowledge of our armed population kept the Japanese from invading our country in WW II. The knowledge of the number of armed people also keeps our own government from overstepping its bounds. Whether the government is controlled by the Republicans or the Democrats, ignoring the Constitution gives either side free reign to trample on the rights of the people. Ignoring unconstitutional acts of the government puts the whole contract at risk. Give anyone in power an inch and in time they will take everything.

The 2nd Amendment does not say "...the right of the people to keep and bear Muskets..." it says "...the right...to...bear Arms..." Since the militia is intended to be used to protect against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, then clearly we people are also intended to keep and bear arms that would allow us to do so.

I, too, do not see how this article is anything but an opinion piece (as is stated throughout the article.) Mr. Clark is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I thought good journalistic practice requires that opinions be restricted to the editorial page.

What must a person do to be interviewed and given a front page, above the fold headline article to present his personal opinion, with no opposing viewpoint represented? I know a few people who would really like to have that opportunity.

-- Posted by Baldgranny on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 12:01 PM

I have an opinion about AAA. Can I get an article?

-- Posted by Mr_S on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 1:13 PM

Lot of good comments on here. Agree with some, disagree with others, but glad we can agree on disagreeing on here. Love LT Clark have great respect for him. I do not see where the AR15 had anything to do with the killing of the geese. That was stupid people do stupid things, It could have been many things. Our founding fathers didn't have AR15 nor did they have pump or semi automatic rifles or shotguns, so think that was of no issue. They didn't have cars, trucks or many other things we have now days. That is what is called progress it makes things better sometimes and can cause harm sometimes but we don't want to go back to those days most the time. Anything not used in the right or proper way can be a deadly weapon. I think we need to deal with the issues of mental illness also illegal and legal guns in the wrong hands. Not banning weapons from legal people that enjoy shooting as a hobby and follow all the laws that have been given to us. Just my thoughts right or wrong!

-- Posted by dmgmager on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 3:05 PM

Couldn't agree more with LT. I've seen AR's jump right out of their locked safes to wound geese and inflict terrible collateral damage on wheat crops and endangered snails, completely without human intervention.

The only thing worse than AR's are cars. Why I've seen cars force otherwise great people to drink huge quantities of alcohol and then drive drunk.

Cars and AR's, outlaw em all.

If it saves only one goose, it's worth it.

-- Posted by bowman on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 11:35 PM

SCORE ---- CLARK---2 US GUYS--- 19

-- Posted by car11 on Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 11:59 PM

I respect Mr. Clark and his opinions, but they do not reflect mine. This would have been a great article in the opinion section!

-- Posted by Unsolicitedtidbits on Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 8:51 PM

wonder what they would say if the leaders of the NRA would be killed by the same weapons by the people who they say don't need background checks for mental health issues ...... did you people also also forget the Brady Bill when president Reagan was shot....everyone was all for gun control then...Score Clark 3----US GUYS 19

-- Posted by brazil citizen on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 8:23 AM

Score Clark 3---US GUYS 20

-- Posted by twolong1short on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 9:05 AM

USguys 21

-- Posted by tcschurick on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 11:56 AM

"I'm a major contributor," Clark said. "And I'm also a Golden Eagle."

"However, for close to a decade, the association has not received contributions from Clark."

I find that fascinating.....and a bit confusing! Not only is this "article" a glorified letter to the editor, it is very oxymoronish! Front page rubbish but then everybody is entitled to an opinion. It just belongs on the editorial page.

USguys 22

-- Posted by Proud of My Country on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 9:45 PM


-- Posted by car11 on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 10:48 PM


-- Posted by twolong1short on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 12:28 PM

this was nothing more than this newspapers editors opinion on weapons you can tell he has not served in the military. i agree with leo southworth for the 1st time and his letter to the editor should have been on the front page of the paper

-- Posted by fedup222 on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 6:04 PM


-- Posted by car11 on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 7:27 PM

CLARK--3 US--26

-- Posted by car11 on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 7:31 PM


you are falling behind on the score reporting. guess you are looking at it the same way as i and others. the other team might as well give up before we have to send in the 4th string b-team to take over.

-- Posted by madmarkbedwell on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM

I love it..U.S. is ahead of the Leftist Opinion. I wish some smart people from the other side would print the Right side's views. I'll bet it would out sell the Brazil Times....!!!

-- Posted by TiredofIdiots on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 8:33 PM


-- Posted by car11 on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 10:27 PM

if he still had his sporting goods store we could have got one or ten off of him ///IS IT CLARK 3 CAR 28 ?

-- Posted by twolong1short on Mon, Feb 11, 2013, at 11:49 AM

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